My grandson was born with a cleft pallet well ever year he goes up to syracuse ny where the cleft pallet dr team up to see there patients 1 time a year. We seems like they would get together so everything doesnt take 4 hours to do from where we live its li,e a 2 hour drive. It wouldnt have been so bad if his SMOKING mother wasnt all pissed off cauze i said no smoking in my car. Then 4 hour wait which basically told us nothing.well waiting for my hubby to stop as he needs some stuff from here before he leaves for 3 days. Be back later to finish this.