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Picking my Poison

BHnCA
Member
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I know, scary title, but it’s the only words that come to me in the midst of trying to figure out my next step.

Reality #1:  I struggle daily with stage 4 COPD and sleep apnea, as well as horrific insomnia and anxiety issues which commonly accompany the first two problems.  If you don’t know how it feels having COPD problems, try breathing through a pinched straw and you’ll get the idea.  Fortunately, steroid inhalers help me breathe more easily.  I can only rely on supplemental 02 cautiously because, as a C02 retainer, too much oxygen throws me into a different kind of tailspin.  Now add recent bladder cancer surgery and treatment. The cancer is in remission, but I still have lingering effects from the general anesthesia which will, hopefully, stop soon. 

Reality #2:  Smoking cigarettes off and on for 40 years contributed to my current health issues. So did working with industrial solvents, polyurethanes and liquid rubber on a daily basis in a past sculpting & reproduction business, as well as silversmithing supplies, such as soldering gases and agents, more recently. I no longer work with ANY toxic materials in creative pursuits or household cleaning.

Reality #3:  I live smack dab in the middle of valley farming where tilling of the fields occurs every spring, burning stubble occurs in the fall, and pesticides are dumped on the fields every month. The dust and smoke effects me in ways I notice most and I have to use special precautions if I go outside. Being a widow on a very fixed income, I cannot afford to move.

So you get the point - I’m sick because of what my body has been exposed to and I live in an unhealthy environment.   I HAVE to quit smoking. I’ve tried numerous times. This time, though, I think my mind is really wrapped around it.  I keep getting caught up in a vicious cycle, though, when it comes to anxiety.  This may seem like a simple thing to remedy for most people, but it isn’t for me since I’m, also, struggling to ward off or control COPD flare ups when they strike. They are terrifying and the only way I’ve learned to calm myself in the midst of such an attack is to rely on Xanax or a cigarette.  I don’t want to rely on Xanax, because it’s so addictive, too, so I usually opt for a cigarette, which contributes to the problem I’m trying to solve. I’ve done everything but hang upside down to distract my thoughts when this anxiety strikes, but it is simply too frightening.

I dont know what what to do.

20 Comments
JACKIE1-25-15
Member

I am so sorry for all the difficulty you have just breathing or lived just to breathe so to speak.  I think you have come to the right place for help.  We have several members who deal with COPD.  There is one here that I consider quite the expert. I will holler for him Right Now  Thomas3.20.2010‌  THOMAS!!!!!  Please give him time and others to respond. In the meantime, Welcome to EX as I said I believe you have come to the right place. 

Get started on this site if haven't already, go to http://www.becomeanex.org/how-to-quit-smoking.php#thl and if there are any areas you need to address such as tracking, triggers, NRT"s.   You have come to the right place for a new day and a new beginning.. This is all about you and what you are willing to do to be smoke-free. Quitting smoking requires hard work.  It can be challenging at times but you will learn that it is doable if you adhere to NOPE not one puff ever no matter what. You can do this. 

Start first, by educating yourself about nicotine addiction.  Remember: Education is the key to a successful quit.

Read: Freedom from Nicotine My Journey Home and Nicotine Addiction 101         

Here are the links: http://whyquit.com/whyquit/LinksAAddiction.html   and http://whyquit.com/ffn/

I also encourage you to read. Allen Carr’s book, “Easy Easier Way to Quit Smoking

Opidfght
Member

Hello I feel your issues. 1st quit smoking it's not easy but I said the same issue 46 days ago. I got up one day and said I've got my plan of how to quit after trying so many times read all you can make your plan I really think you us cigs as habit and Xanax  also. Having COPD is ruff. I've seen many people get better after quitting  smoking  not 100 percent but only you can make that decision  to quit smoking I as you live in a farming community  if the smell is horrible this time of year manure spreaders plowing  the smell is awful I also worked with chemicals and dust inhaled every day from being a sander. I have tried to quit smoking for years. I came to this site 46 days ago I read blogs on her all the time I did fall off the wagon 1 time and everyone on here was wonderful I finished that pack and set a new quit date and I have never picked up a cig again it's Benn 46 days today. You have to learn what works for you we can't tell you what  to do . Good luck .

BHnCA
Member

Thank you. I really think the entire reality of my situation has just sunk in and I’m feeling very depressed. Your help will be good I’m sure. I have already read Allen Carr’s book. It was great and I thought it was going to be my answer, but then I found out I had cancer and it threw me into a whole new tailspin. Now that I’m in remission and have those treatments behind me, I want to get on with the hardest challenge: quitting the smokes.

BHnCA
Member

Thank you for your encouragement!

JACKIE1-25-15
Member

You can do it. So many of us have.  First, we had to make the commitment that no matter what was going on in our lives was not a reason to smoke but an EXcuse.  We came here and learned about nicotine addiction. Relearned our thinking, which takes time. We support each other through depression anxiety fear hurt pain loss of loved ones.  You name it we have all been through something.  Those things make us stronger when we do not use them as an EXcuse to smoke.  With a one day at a time approach, NOPE, not one puff ever you can win.  You just have to get started.  You have to find what works for you and work it.  There is no magic book, pill or solution.  Just hard get on your knees grind work.   Stay close Read Study Blog.  You can do it. 

Daniela2016
Member

Oh dear, I am really sorry to hear how much hardship you have to endure.  But there is the one thing you can do to at least slow the progress if not reverse the COPD.  And as you've been told, you are in the right place.

I understand the anxiety issue, because I am a Xanax user myself.  The insomnia started years ago, and for a while Benedryl helped me, but then a time came when I wasn't falling asleep anymore, and I do know it was because of my anxious nature.  I started self medicating, accessing the drug from family members.  But then I was seeing a Psychiatrist who does not have a problem with me using it for sleep. I am limiting myself to 1mg before sleep, sometimes it takes a while, I know if I were taking 1.5 it would help, but I refuse to give in.

I have other health issues, none as important as yours, but I also know I contributed to them by smoking nearly 40 years.

And I am not saying quitting is easy, but looking back at the first weeks of the quit, it was not as bad as I thought it would be.  784 days ago I decided the slavery to tobacco will have to end.  It is feasible.

Hoping my own story will help your decision, make the right one for your health, make up your mind, read about the addiction, it will help you quit!

Sending you good thoughts and hugs!

Daniela

Opidfght
Member

You can do this 1 day at a time 1 foot in front of the other. I vowed to marry my hubby been together for 36 years. So I used the VOW  to never smoke a cig ever again and so far it has worked and I will never go back again. You make the decision for yourself we will support you with whatever  you decide to do. Only you can make that decision.  If you fall we will support  you just try try again. This site is awesome. 

BHnCA
Member

Heartfelt thanks Daniela. I hope I will be in your position one day,

offering encouragement to others too. Day by day, huh?

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:53 PM Daniela-3-11-2016 <

Bdwallhau
Member

You've been through so much. The fact that you came here and contributed....well, that may be a sign that you're more ready and able than you realize. I'm only about 2 months in to my quit. Anxiety was a huge issue for me. I failed at several previous quits. I have no idea if this will help you, but I'll share that this quit has been more successful than any of the others, and I think it's because I did two things differently: I came here, and I forced myself to meditate. I downloaded a free app for my phone called "Calm," and I made myself do it for at least 15 minutes every day. I am not a meditative sort, but closing my eyes, focusing, and relaxing, and breathing as best I could . . . it got me through those first two weeks. It was so much easier than I expected it to be. So, I credit EX and meditation. Maybe consider adding those to your toolbox as you prepare for a quit. It can't hurt, and it just might help.

You'll come to the decision on your own, but know that, if you decide to quit, and if you continue to come here, you'll have an incredible community of support and expertise for the journey.

Best wishes. I'm rooting for you! -- Dawn

elvan
Member

BHnCA  It HAS to be one day at a time and when a day is too long, it has to be an hour or a minute or a second.  Smoking does NOT relieve stress but there is some additive in the cigarettes that temporarily makes it slightly easier to breathe.  I, too, have COPD, came very close to dying in January 2014 and that's when I quit smoking...FOR GOOD.  I smoked for 47 years (had some failed quits and always quit when I was pregnant) but I KNEW this one was it.  I am on prednisone for rheumatoid arthritis as well as for my breathing...my bones are like potato chips, I am currently recovering from two broken ribs, one on each side...oh JOY.  Taking deep breaths is a challenge, to say the least.  I had both upper lobes of my lungs removed almost two years after I quit smoking because I was trapping so much air in my upper lobes.  Now, I am on oxygen at night, I am always short of breath, fatigue so easily that it frustrates me beyond belief.  There are people on this site who smoked for longer than I did...please understand that smoking stuffed our feelings and when we quit, we have to learn to deal with them like people who never stunted their emotional growth.  I will not tell you that it is easy, it's not, I WILL tell you that it gets easier, one day at a time...read everything you can about nicotine addiction...I will give you some links here...the first one is a blog by JonesCarpeDiem‌ that I read and reread when I first quit.../blogs/jonescarp.aka.dale.Jan_2007-blog/2011/06/26/what-to-expect-in-the-first-four-months  the second was written by YoungAtHeart‌ and the blog itself is wonderful  For Our New Years' Quitters (and community members, too) ..so are the comments.  YoungAtHeart‌ also added this one /blogs/Youngatheart.7.4.12-blog/2013/02/25/100-things-to-do-instead-of-smoke  There are people here who have faced unimaginable losses but who have stayed quit.  I understand your circumstances and that you cannot afford to relocate...at least not yet.  When you stop smoking and save that money, you will be astounded at what you can save...you will also find that there will always be excuses to smoke...ALWAYS.  You need a plan to quit My EX Plan | BecomeAnEX  and you need to COMMIT to quitting...know that there is life after quitting.  I would not get too worried about taking Xanax unless you are taking a whole lot of it.  You can ask your doctor for Wellbutrin or Chantix or any number of medications that may help.  You can also use nicotine replacement therapy.  There is not reason to smoke but there are a MILLION reasons NOT to.

Welcome to EX and know that every person here wants you to be successful.  We want to help you and to support you.  We support each other one step at a time.  NOPE was my mantra at the beginning of this quit...it stands for Not One Puff Ever.  I came here every single morning and every single evening unless I had a really crazy excuse.  Join us...you will make friends, you will find new interests, you will be on a path to FREEDOM and let me tell you that freedom is worth whatever it costs us.  OldBones-Larry‌ has an expression I love..."One Step and then another will get you to where you want to be."  

Ellen

Thomas3.20.2010

First, may I say how very sorry I am for your bad health issues? I know what it's like to have severe COPD, sleep apnea, anxiety/depression, as well as asthma, arthritis, and on and on and on....

Suffice to say that I take 15 meds a day and 24/7 oxygen as well as CPAP. Been there- am there - doing that!

Smoking Cessation when one has COPD can be a tricky mind game - "closing the barn door after the horses are out", Wipe that slate clean!

(1) It's never too late to quit smoking - even with COPD! I have learned so many beautiful depths of living that I had forgotten existed because I enter Nicotine Recovery! I also slowed the progress of my disease - who knows if I would even be alive right now had I kept smoking! I can and do work full time - oxygen tanks and all!

(2)Smoking Cessation is the only known treatment that can slow the progress of COPD. Oh, and it also helps with sleep apnea, insomnia, and yes, stress/anxiety/depression! Fact!

If you want research docs I can provide them on every single point!

(3) Healthy creates healthy creates healthy... I eat right, exercise, avoid pollution, take my meds, get vaccinated, do all that good stuff that we COPDers are required to do! It all fits together!

(4) We are reminded about why quit with every single breath we take! We like nobody else, never take our breathing for granted! I used this as a motivator- I want to breathe!

(5) There are tons of folks here who share your situation - maybe not point for point but we have folks who suffered COPD caused not only by smoking but by pollution, folks who smoked 50 years and more, artists (I'm jealous!) but most of all folks who share their stories so that we all benefit in our Quit Journeys together!

(6) Please jin COPD‌, Please read, read, read Please write, write, write! We never get bored with talking about Nicotine Recovery - ever!

You can do this - we can help! Make a decision - honor the decision - don't give in to a dead leaf wrapped in paper and dipped in thousands of chemicals many of which are known poisons!

welcome!

BHnCA
Member

Ellen,

THANK YOU for your ultra honest words! They are SO encouraging. And I am so

sorry for what you have and continue to experience your self. No matter how

bad we think we have it it, there is always someone else who has it worse

and my heart and admiration goes out to you. It’s interesting what you

said about cigarettes “temporarily makes it easier to breathe”. I have

felt that difference and actually hung on to it because of the relief I

thought I was getting. How wrong I was! It is nothing more than another

piece of the addictive trick manufacturers use to increase our dependence

while destroying our lives. I will read the links you provided. I am

already starting to feel the importance of finally finding a site where the

support I need most exists. Thank you for being part of that.

Bonnie

BHnCA
Member

Thank you Dawn. I will give the meditations a try!  And good luck with your continued success!! I’ll root for you too!

Bonnie

BHnCA
Member

Thank you for your support and encouragement! I just signed up to follow the COPD group. I hope I did it right. 

Bonnie

BHnCA
Member

P.S.  I used Actifed many years ago for insomnia. It was an antihistamine, probably like Benadryl is. In more recent years I used Benadryl, but pretty soon it stopped helping.  I’ve wondered since that time if using so so many antihistamines didn’t actually contribute to my COPD like smoking and art supplies did.  Moot point now I guess. My pulmonologist for COPD didn’t want me using Xanax/.25 mg (the smallest dose available) to fall asleep because he said it makes a person “breath too shallow”.  I’ve never had a problem with breathing at night time when I used it though.  He prescribed Ambien instead, which works somewhat ok, but not as well as the Xanax/.25mg.  He said I can use the Xanax for daytime anxiety, but not at night. My psychiatrist, on the other hand, told me I’m ok using the Xanax/.25mg to get to sleep. I just talked to my pulmonologist this week about it. I think I will discuss it further with my psychiatrist, because as soon as I close my eyes in bed, my mind starts reeling and I end up being unable to sleep! It’s very frustrating, as I’m sure you know. 

Daniela2016
Member

I had a hard time having it prescribed by a family doctor; then I did some research: Xanax was initially released on the market for Insomnia; it was the primary indication.  Then while following the patients who took it for insomnia it was discovered it works on panic attacks and general anxiety.  I think the prescribing habits of our doctors are so much influenced by the political influences between pharma companies, and unfortunately we are the 'beneficiary" of that.  And it is not for lack of trying other sleep aids that I still use Xanax for it: my doctor gave me samples of Lunesta (I was awake pretty much the whole night when I took it), the same with the Ambien.  And let me tell you a funny story: since I was a kid, I used to speak in my sleep, and grind my teeth (I still do these things today).  Knowing the high risk of sleepwalking with Ambien I did not dare taking it but when I went on a business trip to India.  We were there to train our partners, we were treated well and staying at a very nice, and secure hotel.  So I figured: if I manage to get out of the room sleepwalking, someone won't let me leave the hotel and get in any harm ways.  Not a chance...I ended up taking my normal "cocktail" of 50mg Benadryl with the 1mg Xanax at about 2 am in order to be able to get some sleep in and be able to work the next day.  I of course also tried Melatonin, but it gives me so many dreams, while not nightmares, they make my night so "busy" I wake up more tired than when I go to sleep.

It is going to take me some time to get off Xanax, I know I am addicted, but I am willing to go through it once someone can prescribe something which really helps me sleep.  I'll try to speak again with my family doctor about it.

I will research how Benadryl can impact breathing, but I live in Arizona, and during allergy seasons, I sometimes need short Cortisone treatments to get through them.  

Please make the right decision and quit smoking; we are all in similar position with you, all suffering more or less from our longtime addiction, and quitting is the best gift you can give yourself. I really hope you will, hugs!

daniela

BHnCA
Member

That’s very interesting Information! Thanks.

freeneasy
Member

Hi Bonnie and welcome to ex. Congratulations on quitting and the proactive, thoughtful approach you have with your health issues. I smoked for about 35 years with a 4-year quit early on in my smoking career. I don't have COPD yet but know how horrible it is. Both of my parents had it and neither of them quit until the very end of their lives.                          

I quit smoking about 5 years ago because I had surgery for a detached retina which was not successful.  After 2 more surgeries and lots of vision loss, I developed pretty severe anxiety and a doctor prescribed .5mg extended release Xanax. He encouraged me to take it "as needed" and prescribed a drug called Trazadone off-label as a sleep aid. I really prefer the Xanax though for sleep and anxiety but the Trazadone works so well, I wake up with a "sleep hangover"It's also quite inexpensive.

Believe in yourself, and in your ability to quit. I'm very pleased now and take pride in my quit. It's one good thing that came out of my bad eye surgery experiences and I know this site and all the support like you see in the comments above made the difference to help me succeed.

BHnCA
Member

I’m already finding it very encouraging and comforting getting in touch with others who have been where I’m at, so thank you for taking the time to send a message. I’m sorry to hear of the troubles with your retinal surgery and the aftermath. It’s tough enough having such a procedure without having to deal with such difficulties afterwards, huh? I can relate, because I had bladder surgery on March 1, then a chemo surgery on April 20th, and both procedures left me with after effects I was assured wouldn’t occur, including anemia  - which was finally diagnosed yesterday after repeated complaints to my doctors because I was still so weak I felt as if I were melting.  If nothing else, this entire experience has given me even more incentive to quit smoking.  So I’m hoping that down the road I will be able to encourage someone else in my position, just as you have done for me. Pay it forward, right?  I’m not a fan of taking lots of medications but I can tell you one thing - Xanax has been a godsend for the times when I have COPD panic attacks.   I’m really glad your doc found meds to help you with your anxiety too. It’s not a fun condition!  I know from my sister’s experience of insomnia and anxiety that trazadone is actually an anti-depressant, but when the latter is given in lower dose it’s quite beneficial in treating sleeping problems in someone with anxiety.  Sounds like it works for you in the same way. I wish you continued success with that. Thanks again! 

elvan
Member

Cigarettes are killers...no if ands or buts about it.  Xanax can be used to reduce anxiety and you just may find that with some smoke free time under your belt, you will feel less anxious.  Your breathing may improve...obviously, it is not going to get so much better that you won't remember every day that you have it BUT, you will be doing positive things to take care of yourself.  Diet and exercise are big things...not smoking is clearly the biggest.  Avoiding pollutants is not always possible and certainly does not seem to be in your case...I exercise indoors because I have terrible allergies, I have a stationary bike and I have adapted different routines to help strengthen my body.  Not always 100% effective because of the damage I have from assorted other issues but I am TRYING and you need to TRY, coming here helps immensely.  Connecting with others, understanding and completely accepting that smoking does nothing FOR you, only TO you.  Smoking does not really reduce stress or anxiety, it contributes to both.  Believe me, I know that is not the easiest thing to accept but please believe me that it is true.  

Ellen

About the Author
Like many artists, I relied on industrial materials for years to produce effects I needed in my work even tho i did not know how toxic some of those materials were back then. Add cigarettes to that mix and, 40 years later, I have severe COPD, sleep apnea and bladder cancer (in remission.) I am filled with guilt, shame, anger and regret for having done this to myself.