[Reposted for your viewing pleasure. I wonder if Leeford's parrot squawking in the background of his parents' basement is smoking a nicotine crack pipe, too?:] So the floodgates opened back in March and a slew of "electronic cigarettes" have been arriving on the market from China ever since. This product has one purpose and only one purpose: to deliver nicotine to a drug addict's lungs. It vaporizes liquid nicotine which is inhaled. There are four strengths of liquid nicotine Three are comparable to a regular cigarrettes ranging from moderate to high nicotine. They offer a "no-nicotine" liquid. Testing shows that is a bold-faced lie. This liquid contains small amounts of nicotine. BEWARE if you are a recovering nicotine addict! If I wanted to be a permanent nicotine junkie drug addict, this is the product. It's almost pathetic to watch someone smoke it. Why don't they just quit? I mean, nicotine just isn't a very enjoyable drug. And live from his parents' basement: Pathetic woman junkie: Ladies man junkie: Good grief. Smoking one of these things. Might as well wear a flashing sign that says, "I'm a junkie drug addict". It's like watching somebody shoot up with a syringe. A couple of thoughts on these products: a) My guess of the number of people who ever quit smoking and these things: ZERO. This is hard core nicotine addiction. They'll be back at a pack a day as quick as you can say, "my battery died". b) The number of ex-smokers who relapse after using one of these things for a nictone fix thinking it won't make them smoke again: TOO MANY TO IMAGINE c) The number of kids who will get addicted to nicotine thinking this is safe and become full-time smokers: CRIMINAL I get really angry when companies try to claim nicotine is safe or healthy. After 45 years of effort since the first surgeon general's report to get fewer people using nicotine products, it's a little frightening to see so many products on the market designed to get or keep people addicted to nicotine, all with a suggestion of being "safe" and "healthy". At least these videos make the people look like losers inhaling an insecticide poison three times more lethal, drop for drop, than rattlesnake venom. This ad, however, is more frightening. Basically, advertising nicotine as something that is hot and sexy. Hmmmm.... where have we seen that kind of nicotine advertising? Before it was banned, that is? What's next? A rugged handsome cowboy chewing nicotine gum while riding his horse?
I did some poking around today and found varied results in terms of the marketing. One company was marketing these things as "quit smoking aids" which is obviously pure BS. Another company was marketing them as "gifts for smokers" with the idea that these products were to be used in places where one cannot normally smoke (airplanes, movie theaters, etc). I would like to think that there are truth in advertising laws that would prevent some of this. Maybe I just think too much... It seems like there has always been some scam to addict the youth (Fred Flintstone smoking Winstons, Joe Camel, etc). Once a certain icon is made illegal, the drug dealers just come up with another one.
between this and saling a single cigs. at gas station now i am just sick . we are pretty much forcing smoking down people throats what is wrong with these people tp get rick off of people death. i do not understand
I understand about wiping out a quit. They were selling these in a mall near my house and out of curiosity, I went over to check it out. When one of the sales people starting demoing the product in front of me, I didn't know whether to run or to deck him!!!
It's the eyes. They all have such a defeated look in their eyes as the puff away on their nicotine crack pipes. Sarai, you are right. These things are perfect for the active nicotine junkie in places he can't smoke real cigarettes. Ideal for staying good and hooked. Horrible for quitting.
ctm: I know. It is weird, isn't it? It's like a reverse-trigger. Out of the blue you get this intense trigger of revulsion for smoking and nicotine addiction. It's really visceral and jarring. I'm like you. I don't get the same reaction to people smoking cigarettes. I see them as junkies, but I'm emotionally neutral. Seeing them smoke doesn't trigger any visceral reaction. Certainly not like these videos. It should. There's really no difference. I wonder how smokers react to the videos?
I had never seen this before, this is unbelievable, it almost looks like they're smoking a crack pipe, Good God, you have a problem if you think this is a good thing.
I get a kick out of the "slogan" for the UK company's ad featuring the junkie woman: Free Yourself From what? Being addicted to inhaling a poison insecticide? Hello. Walking around puffing on a cigarette (either a this kind or a real one) just to get a drug fix isn't freedom. Freedom is kicking the addiction. Or, as good ol' Bob Newhardt says: JUST STOP IT!
Wow - I have actually heard of these - someone actually recommended one to me during my quit! She said I should use one to get over the oral fixation aspect of smoking - she used it during long flights when she wasn't allowed to smoke - because it's not a cigarette, it's not illegal! Well, to come down to it - I think tobacco companies will continue to find ways to deliver nicotine. Everyone is clamping down on the smokes themselves (which is great) but nicotine is still a legal drug, and since addictive, an obvious money maker. Can't see how these things are supposed to help you quit though! They would remind me too much of actually smoking and as you said, high relapse rates...
This is weird. I have gotten to the point where I can watch real people smoke real cigarettes everyday and it doesn't bother me. I couldn't even watch these videos. Too disgusting.
Yep. This looks like a great product for somebody who wants to stay addicted to nicotine for the rest of his life -- bouncing back and forth between smoking and the e-cig. The people using it look so sad. All pretense is gone. No rationizations about "taste" or "pleasure" or any of that. It's just laid bare to the essence: delivering the nicotine drug to prevent junkie withdrawals. If this product doesn't demonstrate the physical addiction, nothing will.
I think the reason these videos hit home so hard is that they really do strip all the pretense away, not just from smoking these nicotine vaporizers, but from smoking tobacco cigarettes. There is no difference between the two. A tobacco cigarette is also serving no other purpose than delivering a drug fix, just like a crack pipe. But, thanks to decades of advertising, we've built up this protective narrative about a "little habit" or "stress reliever" or whatever that conceals the true reason we smoke cigarettes -- because we are junkie addicts who need a fix. When we stand outside a doorway puffing away on a Marlboro, we look no less pathetic than the people in these videos, we just can't see it for what it is. I believe the reason I was able to quit smoking after 38 years is that I finally saw it for what it was and decided that it was just too pathetic to continue. Once you truly believe that there is no benefit to smoking, that it is in reality no different than puffing on a crack pipe or putting a syringe in your arm, the withdrawal from nicotine is small price to pay for freedom. Once I saw my smoking as being the pathetic drug addicts in these videos, I sure as heck didn't feel like I was "giving up" smoking. I couldn't wait to be done with it.
I wonder how many poor unspecting non-smokers they roped into demo'ing this product who are now going to find themselves hopelessly addicted to nicotine. It wouldn't take a day with that product. It really should be against the law to sell that thing in the shopping malls. I don't think there are even any age restrictions. They are going to hook a lot of teenagers with the false claims of safety and health.
Heh. Heh. That's half the reason I posted them! It's kind of hard not to see the nicotine addiction in all its glory. We haven't heard from any smokers. I don't think they like thinking about junkie drug addicts.Acceptance of that usually comes pretty close to the moment a smoker quits! The other part of the reason was to wave a huge red flag about these things to us ex-smokers. A nicotine device like that would wipe out a good quit faster than you can say "just one puff".
I totally agree. Each smoker has to choose for him or herself. It's important to remind people why they smoke (nicotine drug addiction) and that kicking the addiction once and for all is an option. If, however, someone chooses to remain permanently addicted to nicotine, they products look like, by far, the best drug delivery mechanism on the market. Because the drug is inhaled into the addict's lungs, it hits the brain in much the same way a tobacco cigarette drug hit does. Nobody will quit by using this product. Just the opposite. It's the perfect product for staying addicted to nicotine. If I were still a nicotine junkie and planned to stay that way, I'd buy one of these. Hell, my wife would probably let me smoke it in the house and I could have doubled my nicotine drug consumption.
I love my ecig sorry not everyone quits the way you guys do, self righteous much? I have cut my nicotine from 21mg a day with traditional smoking to less than 8mg a day with this.Also i would love to see this test that shows nicotine in the non nicotine liquid it's eay to spew things as facts when none of your followers will question them..Good day and happy vaping
BTW, I bumped this because "Kyle" was back last night, pitching his e-cigs again in a blog and discussion post. I asked him in his blog how he was doing on his plan to taper off nicotine with the e-cigs and quit by New Years Day. It appears that Kyle has left the building as his profile and all of his e-cig ads are gone this morning. It was a pretty blatant attempt at "astroturf" marketing.
swanee: Here's the info from the patent application from an e-cig inventor showing trace nicotine in his "0 nicotine" liquid: Wiki article Links are in the footnotes to the actual patent documents describing the four solutions. I would recommend to anyone who has gotten completely off nicotine that they not trust their quits to a Chinese-made liquid poison from a Chinese e-cig company labelled as "0 mg - nicotine". Reintroducing nicotine to a recovering nicotine addict is no joke.
Ok out of interest I would like to know just how harmful is nicotine in its pure form ? We know that cigs contain so many other chemicals that are harmful even in pure form - but isn't nicotine found in minute quantaties in vegetables and fruits - ie tomatoes? However this is all academic really as we know nicotine full stop is addictive and years ago when I quit using patches it was useless as having nicotine in the system made it easy for me to relapse time and time again!
Here's a lab test showing trace amounts of nicotine in Ruyan's "0 mg nicotine" cartrdige: Link to PDF (see page 9) Here's a toxicology report from a university lab in Europe, testing all four versons of the Super Smoker cartriges (Normal, Heavy, Light, Zero). See page 6 of the PDF, where it states: "Nicotine is present in all the samples examined." Link to PDF
David: Nicotine is an insecticide. Naturally occuring in tobacco plants, but sold and used as a poisonous insecticide. The average dose from a cigarette is between 1 mg and 2 mg. So, most of us were getting 20 to 40 mg per day, spread over the course of the day. A one time dose of 4 to 6 mg causes nausea (this is why you can't chew and swallow the nic gum or lozenges like normal gum or candy!). A one-time dose of 40 to 60 mg is considered fatal for an adult human. These e-cig cartridges have 16 to 32 mg of nicotine. The nicotine is also sold in liquid form for refilling cartridges. Sooner or later, there will be kids and pets who die from eating one of the cartidges. The stuff is also wicked poisonous if you get it on your skin (that's how they invented the patch!). The biggest health issue in non-poisonous doses is that nicotine constricts arteries, increases blood pressure, and elevates heart rates. More smokers die from heart and stroke related causes than from lung cancer and breathing problems (lung cancer is almost entirely caused by smoking), so this is no small claim. The brain chemistry and addiction issues are no small health matter, on their own.
Funny cause I have one somewhere around this house....although I have not even bothered to look for it after 3 days of not smoking because there is no point. The point of becoming "Smoke free" is to be "Nicotine free"...and these e-smokes have nicotine!!! I hope people are smarter than these things (my Father had good intentions when he bought it..I have now set him straight). It is really sad...and how the hell do we even REALLY know what's in them?
March 14, 2009, K Tague said… update: Still have not had a real cig since 1-22-09. Am now almost off the e-cig. Can go till afternoon without using it and am on the lowest nicotine content. It sure makes it easy to quit the real things. I was never able to quit for more than a few hours. I never cared about the real cigs even from the first day. If the electranic cigs sere not so much fun in public I would have already given them up. It is so much fun watching the "goody two shoes" going balistic when they see someone smoking in there enviroment. I trully beleive that this is the answer for people that can't quit any other way or keep going back. April 24, 2009, K Tague said… Next update: Comming up on 100 days next week. Still carry the e-cig around in my pocket (security blanket), but have not used it in over a week now. I have replaced it with chewing a pack of gum a day and have put on about 30 pounds. Wife is helping out with some weight watchers planning and am starting to get a handle on that. Food is just tasting too good to stay away from. My advice to anyone that keeps slipping up is to give this device a try! It was the only thing that has worked for me. May 17, 2009, K Tague said… Hopefully my last update! I consider myself an ex now. I have not used the e-cig for over 25 days now and been smoke free for 115 days. The 40 pounds I put on are now starting to come off (down 2 pounds last week). I stoped carrying the electronic cigarette several weeks ago. Good luck to all other quiters which ever method you use.
Glad it's worked for you KT. (Would almost be worth it to pick one up just to watch those "goody 2-shoes" going nuts!) Obviously you seem to be in the minority according the opinions expressed here. Personally I don't care what the method, if it gets you free, it's a winner in my book. Congrats on your 115 and your 25.
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