Allright I can say this much - Zyban works!

[moonchild32]

Thank you everybody for the nice messages of encouragement, they really help!

So far I can say something for sure - Zyban works - I don't know why it didn't work the first time I tried it, maybe I didn't take it enough days to reach steady-state, maybe my metabolism was different - faster and I ate it up too soon - I tend to be a high metabolizer of most drugs due to lifetime addictions - to smoking and coffee.

But this time it works and I will finally quit smoking - hopefully for good 🙂

I did read 3/4th of Allen Carr's book - I bought it the day after I bought my Zyban - it not really for me, I already knew everything he says there - I am a 25 yrs+ smoker who quit once cold turkey in a program of psychological counseling - they told me all that and more in the program. It true he drives it in so many times he is good at making you think about it and he does identify well the 2 feelings - the 2 monsters - 1 is the addiction to nicotine - he calls it the little one, I dont think it so little, the other is the fear you can't live without smoking - That is the bigger one, he is right 🙂

I can tell you for me, Zyban kills the monsters - both, completely - no cravings and no anxiety - true it makes me feel a bit 'zoned out' too - but I will put up with that feeling because for the FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE after 20 (except that year I quit), I don't want to smoke, I dont NEED to smoke - it awesome 🙂

Basically the ecig is there to take care of that hand-to-mouth thing and to give me something to do on long evenings when I used to smoke 1 pack+ and now I don't know what to do with myself.

Also to those that feel the ecig isn't a good NRT - it is the ultimate NRT - remember I tried it once 1 yr ago so I know a lot about it, I just didnt like it enough to quit switching to it. You can vary the nicotine content from 0 to 36 mg - and while now I using low-nicotine juice - because I have tons of it - I do plan to switch to 0 nicotine juice in my 2nd month of Zyban to make sure I off nicotine before I off of Zyban.

And THE question - what the heck do non-smokers do if they don't smoke lol - I don't remember - and wouldnt apply anyways - what I did with me at 19 before I started smoking. 

Also I dont remember what I did that 1 yr I quit - I think I blocked the memories because they were traumatic lol. All I remember is 2 things: 1 that I would cry every morning for weeks to months because I lost my best friend and my life was pointless and 2 - which I use - that I took up a habit from my asian friends - I'd make a tea after a meal instead of having a cig - that a good thing, gives you something to do, and tea cant be bad for you 🙂

[ncolwell]

Good for you! I'm rooting for your success all the way! It sounds like you really want to quit, and you've got some great tools in your toolbox that are going to help you be successful. 

Excellent work!

[YoungAtHeart]

I won't comment on the e-cig except to say that using it will NOT unlearn the smoking habit!

When you quit, you need to change things up.  Drink your coffee with your other hand, in a different room.(lots of folks-including me - made coming to the site and reading part of that routine).  When you first get up  maybe jump in the shower first thing, or throw on your walking shoes for a quick walk and then to the shower.  If you had a special place you smoked rearrange its furniture so that it doesn't look the same. When driving, find new and different routes to your work and shopping places so you have new scenery.  Try counting red/blue or white cars as you go. 

You can cut up straws to chew on to help with the hand to mouth thing --- or lollipops.  Make a list of your reasons to quit and keep it handy.

This really is very simple ---- not easy but doable- - - you make the decision to quit and you honor it --- NO MATTER WHAT!

Nancy

[JonesCarpeDiem]

Broccoli works.

Roast Beef works.

You'll probably be using the ecig forever. That's not freedom. That's doing the same thing as smoking without a lighter.

[promise_judy]

Good, I am glad your doing ok.

As far as something to do--the skys the linit. Read a book, walk, learn a new hobby, and most of all enjoy your freedom.

XOXO

[moonchild32]

Yeah that is freedom and if I use the ecig forever I dont mind - I dont rlly like it or id have quit with it 1 yr ago lol I just like burning paper/tobacco and I off those hopefully forever THAT what I care

|I think u ppl never tried Zyban - or u not got my psyche - it killed all the monsters and I can sit with you while u smoke and I don\t want to smoke I do\nt want anything I like a rock or a grain of sand lol = guess that psychoactive drugs

I recommend to any1 and esp to psychologically addicted people = prolly women = like me

Try Zyban it great it kills the addixction = I used to have anxiety attacks if I no cigarettes - gone 🙂 Indeed, freedom - ppl who think ecigs no freedom dunno what slavery is - they lucky lol

[JonesCarpeDiem]

I have nothing against zyban. Whatever you believe will work will work until you stop believing it works.

90% of the difficulty in quitting is unlearning that hand to mouth and inhale process.

100% of quitting is believing you can do it and giving it the time it takes to unlearn it.

Good luck

[moonchild32]

Haha it freedom i dont care if  I use the ecig forever it cool - but I wont I never liked it _ i will step down from 12-8 mg nicotine to o (zero) slowly during Zyban. BUT u do not understand - Zyban is right-on for me - it killed my anxiety. I dunno why u ppl smoke = but I took up smoking again because I couldn\t breathe without smoking

Yup it counter-intuitive but I such panick and doom attcks \i could NOT breathe without smoking ; that why I picked it up again after 1 yr - i helped me breathe.

Yeah lung doctors die, yeah my doc die, smoking HELPS me breathe lol I a nutcase I know 😛 it all in my mind and Zyban kills it - yay 🙂

[moonchild32]

TY jOHNCArp for feeedback 🙂 but I a nutcase - I smoke bc i can't live otherwise - and Zyban is the holy grail, finally I found the holy grail - I can face suffocating with it because it knows it not true, it only in my mind

and it STOPS it - yay lol

[JonesCarpeDiem]

a monte python moment for sure!...or was that indiana jones?

[GreenThumb3]

Lots of stuff has worked for many including cold turkey I personally know  that I got addicted to e cig it's not ment to be a NRT they do have a inhaler much different not heating to vape temp I'm so against e cig bull crap I think your going to see more health problems coming from using them we already know nicotine hardens arteries and more if your using 0 nicotine will have to wait to see what vaping pgs and vgs and unregulated flavorings to be heated and vaped ? Not trying to be mean just my opinion to not use e cig zyban cool if it's working