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blankthatjuul
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Tapering methods, and vaping

Considering the exceptionally high nicotine content of vape pods, cold turkey is a bad idea.

at the same time, the “serving size” (basically a giant full pack sized pod) makes it difficult to take a simple approach, such as using n-1 cigarettes per day.

maybe “hits” per day? Or short “smoke zones” (i.e. vape only on even hours” or “hours divisible by three”)

I’m experienced in tapering off medications as the pharmacies allow an easy dosage reduction over time. But I don’t know how to approach the vaping tapering.

any ideas?

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sweetplt
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Hi and Welcome o Ex’s blankthatjuul 

Many here have quit “cold turkey”...you need to do what works for you...I suggest you read at My EX Plan | BecomeAnEX there you will set a quit date...you will work on coming up with your craves, triggers and urges...listing what you can do in place of vaping, by finding healthy activities to do...here is a list to get you started /blogs/Maggie_quit_8-1-2010-blog/2012/03/19/100-things-to-do-instead-of-smoking?sr=search&searchId=9... You will rid all vaping paraphernalia the night before your quit...Keep close to the support site, for help and to encourage other’s on this journey...You are worth this quit...Happy Friday ~ Now get working...~ Colleen 305 DOF 

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YoungAtHeart
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Welcome to our community!

 I would recommend that you first start to reduce the nicotine content of the pods.  Start with a lesser amount in, like, one in every four, then three, etc. until you are only using the smallest amount all the time, or reduce the amount of nicotine in the pods over time.   That way the physical withdrawal should be more manageable. Going as low as 1 mg of nicotine a day is not a good idea.   Doing that will keep you in constant withdrawal and make you unnecessarily uncomfortable.  When you quit, you will have to go through a period of time when you are getting low amounts, but you will get through that and it will end.   I am not familiar with the dosage in the pods to help further, but you get the idea.  You might also consider using the patch, matching the strength to the amount of nicotine you think you are getting per day.

Although primarily a smoking cessation site, I have seen a huge increase in the number of people coming for help to break free from vaping. Research suggests nicotine may be as addictive as heroin and cocaine. Here is a great article with information about the products: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/vaping/vaping-101-what-know-about-e-cigs-addiction-illnesses-n1054981... There is further information here: https://www.becomeanex.org/quitting-e-cigarettes and here; https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-e-cigarettes-on-lung.html .

E-cigarette users can get more nicotine than they would from a tobacco product — extra-strength cartridges are available, or the e-cigarette’s voltage can be increased to get a greater hit of the substance. I understand some pods equal the nicotine in a pack of cigarettes. Because it is available to you most anywhere, anytime, I believe it might be more difficult from which to break free than tobacco products - but it CAN be done!

Nicotine addiction is nicotine addiction - no matter the delivery device - and how to beat any of them is about the same. Every time you read :"cigarette" in the information I will give you, just sub "Juul" or “vape,” or “device.”  

I recommend that you educate yourself on what nicotine does to your body and mind To that end, I suggest Allen Carr's “The Easy Way to Stop Smoking.” . Vaping was not a concern when this was written, so you will need to sub “vape”as necessary. This is an easy and entertaining read which can be found online or at your local library. If you do nothing else to get ready for your quit, please do give this a read. Here is a video to inform you further about nicotine addiction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpWMgPHn0Lo&feature=youtu.be.

After you have completed the recommended reading, it will be time to make an informed choice of the quit aid, if any, you will use. If you go that route, I personally recommend the aids that don't let the addict control the dose such as the available prescription drugs or the patch. If used properly, gum, lozenges and inhalers are fine, but they need to be used only as a last resort after you have tried to delay and distract.   I have seen folks become addicted to them if they substitute them for every cigarette they used to smoke - just trading one addiction for another.  You need to start out with a plan to reduce use of them over time - which the patch does by decreasing the dose contained in them..  For the gum, you can start by cutting each piece in half, then in quarters, then sub regular gum of the same flavor in between, adding more and more regular gum.  For the lozenge, you need to start subbing a mint in between to begin, increasing the number of them over time.

It will be informative if you do the tracking and separation exercises recommended here on the site. As you track each device use, note its importance, and what you might do instead. Put each use off just a little to prove that you don't NEED a puff just because you think you do

The idea is to change up your routines so the vaping associations are reduced.  Drink your coffee with your OTHER hand in a place different from where you vaped. Maybe switch to tea for a bit.  If you always had that first puff with your coffee, try putting your tennies on right out of bed, going for a quick walk, then taking your shower and THEN your coffee! Rearrange the furniture in the areas you used to vape so the view is different. Take a different route when you are out and about so you aren't driving by your vaping supply shop. Take a quick walk at break time instead of vaping.


You need to distract yourself through any craves.  You can take a bite out of a lemon (yup - rind and all), put your head in the freezer and take a deep breath of cold air, do a few jumping jacks, go for a brisk walk or march in place, play a computer game.  Keep a cold bottle of water with you from which to sip. Don't let that vaping thought rattle around in your brain unchallenged. Sometimes you need to quit a minute or an hour at a time.  You will need to be disciplined in the early days to distract yourself when a crave hits.    Get busy!  Here is a link to a list of things to do instead of vape if you need some fresh ideas:
 https://excommunity.becomeanex.org/blogs/Youngatheart.7.4.12-blog/2013/02/25/100-things-to-do-instea...
The conversation in your head in response to the "I want to vape" thought needs to be, "Well, since I have decided not to do that anymore, what shall I do instead for the three minutes this crave will last?"  Then DO it.  You will need to put some effort into this in the early days, but it gets easier and easier to do.

Stay close to us here and ask questions when you have them and for support when you need it. We will be with you every step of the way!


 Nancy

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AnnetteMM
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I used Juul and I understand the logistics you're talking about. The one-pack pod is pretty much standard, and I can't see how you'd count hits on it without going crazy. I don't think going cold turkey is bad idea at all. Doesn't really matter how much nicotine you're used to; your neurons will go nuts regardless.  Read what I wrote about quitting Juul here:  https://excommunity.becomeanex.org/people/AnnetteMM/blog/2019/09/08/how-to-quit-juul-or-vaping-in-ge... 

Get rid of the vape, get the 21mg patch, cut straws in thirds if you need to pretend. 

Vicspin
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Lots of straws!!!!  chewing on one now.

I chewed on them. Great tension reliever, something in your hand, and, smoke doesn't get in your eyes.

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MaryRobin
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I looked it up and there are approximately 200 hits per juul pod. I tapered down over the course of 2 weeks from a full pod a day to first 100 hits (half a pod), to 60, to 40, and finally quit. I counted and allowed myself 5 in the morning, 10 on my commute, 10 throughout the work day, 10 on my commute home, and 5 in the eve....It was hard counting, but not that bad, and it really helped to cut back before I quit I think. Day 1&2 were the worst for me. I am on Day 11 and I feel good! You can do this; keep asking questions and all of us will help!

intervention
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It is much easier to taper down if you switch from a pod system to either a refillable pod (there are a few) or a regular vaporizer. You can them easily go a week, for example, at 24mg, then a week at 18, then 12 to 6 to 3 to 0mg.  After a while at 0mg it will be easier to quit altogether.  

Vicspin
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I quit cold turkey, just some nicotine gum. I was down to 3mg nicotine for a long time then got a 50mg salt and loved it. I had started to taper by not taking it with me in the car or not carrying it on me. I did that for about 2 weeks, not knowing when my last day would be if ever. Then I just knew I had to chuck it. I have 7 days now. 

I didn't read up but from what everyone says it is good to be educated on it all and have a plan, then you just need to stick to the plan. You can do it. It sucks but it gets better.