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I'm not sure I understand your question. The subject is a bit confusing. Can you clarify?
Nicotine is the addicting chemical in Cigarettes, Dip and Vaping.
Are you asking if dip is as addicting as smoking? And as addicting as vaping?
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This is my opinion only - nicotine is addictive. It does not really matter what form you use to ingest it. I have known people who have been addicted to both smoking and dipping and said that both were hard to quit. Even though vaping is advertised as a safer alternative to smoking, I am not convinced. The best way is to quit and not replace smoking with another habit such as dipping or vaping. I did use nicotine patches but used them as recommended and cut down in strength as recommended. At the end of 6 weeks - no more nicotine in any form. I am now a little over 3 1/2 years smoke free. Again - this is my opinion only.
Nicotine does not directly harm you--it's all the other toxic junk in cigs, chew etc that does. Vaping may, as well, because like cigarettes there is a load of crap in vape stuff--only vaping stuff is not required to list ingredients (I may be wrong on this). The jury is out on vaping. It sounds like you want to stay in a smoking like experience. I can only advise you that quitting is not the end of the world, smoking is not everything. If you wish to become a former smoker, to recover from the dependency, help is available. Ex is here 365 days of the week for a starter.
Many people frown upon the e-cig but in the beginning of my quit, I used one with 0 nicotine and only used it if I was absolutely going to blow my quit. It saved me a few times. I think it was the hand to mouth sensation I was looking for. I also used the patch too.
Nicotine, no matter what form is addictive. I personally started off by trading breath mints for nicotine. A couple of weeks prior to quitting I would actually pop a breath mint into my mouth as I smoked and then after I quit, I kept (and still do) my breath mints where I would normally keep my pack of smokes. If I have a craving I will pop a breath mint, by the time I finish it the craving is gone. I did go from 10-20 breath mints to just a handful a week. Do what works for you.
Only MY opinion......quitting smoking can be such a wonderful gift to yourself. Don't give yourself half of the gift. Dipping still has many health drawbacks (not to mention it's pretty gross). Vaping has not been around long enough to know all of the side effects....but let's face it.....our lungs were made for air. We've already "screwed up" by smoking. I think the smart move is to go forward only putting air in your lungs....to apologize for all the damage! This CAN be done without continuing on with the use of nicotine. It takes some work...but it's doable. Look at all of us. We are no different from you and we all did it....YOU CAN TOO!
Stay Strong.
I'll give you a little bit of my thought after these past few years. Smoking is a two dimensional process. You have to habit part (hand to mouth motion) and the addictive substance, nicotine. Nicotine is the drug in tobacco naturally that reacts with our pleasure center of the brain and gives us that feel good sensation, perceived calmness. When you no longer have it, you get irritable, restless, you go into withdrawal. Here's an excellent article written by a member here that I think you should read How Nicotine Changes your Brain and How Nicotine Addiction takes over (and what to do about it!)
My own person experience with vaps.
Quit for months with a vap, there was no nicotine in it. barely used it it. One day started getting bad coughs. I thought I had a good brand of vaps no nicotine, just sucking on a battery I guess. Anyway had to start using neutralizer. Soon enough on steroids, antibiotics, didnt work. Started the whole round of meds again. Took 6 months for broc tubes to settle down.
From everything I have read about vaps bad news! They had to be on market long enough for research. Small studies have been done, very bad news thus far on vaps. Same thing happened to sis. She did have nicotine. Long story short 1 yr of vaps for her almost killed her. Pls Be- careful, using vaps <3. mvso
God Bless
~ Kim
I used vapes as a nicotine replacement therapy to quit a few times and it did ok but I eventually went back to smoking. They did help as I could have the 'fix' without the garbage in a cigarette. This quit, the forever one, I decided to go on Chantix and see how it goes. I still have 2 seperate vape types, both the e-cig and the vape pens with varying amounts of nicotine from 1.2 down to .03%. I have touched them maybe 3 or 4 times but nothing more than one puff and I don't inhale them. My vape juice is high quality made with FDA approved ingredients so they don't contain the 4000+ chemicals of a cigarette but they are still a form of tobacco. Since the nicotine is out of my body I don't need them but will have a puff of the pen with the .03% solution once in a great while. Haven't done that in a month or so but it's there and I know I have control of its use. My plan is to give them to my friend when I haven't touched them for 3 months but will probably send them on their way sooner than that since I don't really need or want them. I never coughed while smoking cigs unless I was sick but when I vaped instead of smoking my throat hurt all the time and I coughed constantly. It wasn't the way to quit because I was still feeding my body nicotine and doing the same hand to mouth motions. I guess if you want to use vapes with just flavors and no nicotine you may be able to keep up your quit but I don't recommend or advocate it. The hand to mouth with a vape only reinforces the 'smoking' action and can lead us right back into the drug addiction we so desperately want to be free of.
Take everyone's advice and read, read, read, blog, post, take the pledge, ride the freedom train, and ask for help. You have a wealth of information, experience and help here on Ex. You CAN become drug free and as you heal you will realize that no form of nicotine is pleasurable or needed. Hang in here and keep this quit safe, it can be the last one you ever have to face again!!
Julie
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Welcome to our community!
Your addiction is to the nicotine and all the mental associations in your life that you have attached to it. Vaping is just mimicking smoking....and that is not going to help with either the physical OR mental aspects of the addiction. Using chew can lead to mouth cancer, and, again, you are still getting the addictive drug. You want to break FREE of that!
Here is a blog that I wrote a bit ago with input from our members that you might find helpful: For Our New Years' Quitters (and community members, too). After you have done the recommended reading, I think you will be able to make up your own mind on what way forward is going to be best for you. Be sure to read Allen Carr first - I think you will be amazed at what you don't know about this addiction.
I'm glad you are here. Let us know if you have questions!
Nancy