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Hate to bring this up but my points dropped over 1300 this evening...what on EARTH is going on. I think I would rather just get feedback...I don't understand why my points would go down, ESPECIALLY by more than they have gone up in some time.
What's the deal? Anyone else?
Mark???
I wonder if you were given a badge and then somehow it was deleted. Points are only removed if they are earned/given and then that action is reversed.
Mark
I do know that Ken aka Pops deleted some blogs and also had his account deactivated. That may have caused points to drop.
I did not know that Ken had deleted his blogs or that he deactivated his account, that makes me feel sick.
Seriously, I don't really care about the points, I care about knowing that I made some sort of positive impact for someone. It was just shocking to see that I was notified that there was "Positive Feedback" and there was this bold red MINUS points next to my name.
I really hope that Ken will reconsider and that if anyone has a way to reach him other than through here, that they will let him know that his departure is seriously impacting others.
As of a little over 24 hours ago I talked to him and he is not smoking. That is the most important thing.
Jennifer-Quit-05-01-14 Thanks for that information...you are right, that IS the most important thing. I so wanted to know that his quit was secure, not sure why I would have doubted that.
Can someone explain how the points work to me? What do they mean and what can you do with them?
They are given for participation. No one knows exactly what you get for what you do? You can give them away to people when you like something they said in a blog or a response.
I'll go along with jonescarp.aka.dale.Jan_2007 on this...no one really knows. When we migrated to this new platform in January, there was this point system put into effect, it is an effort to make the site more appealing to younger people or people who like games associated with quitting. I am sorry I ever brought it up and I have completely disengaged from the points whether they are there or not...if I get positive feedback from someone, say they like a comment or they mark it as helpful, I get a notification and I DO look at those because I want to see what may have touched someone. The rest of it is beyond me...like keeping score in a game where you don't know the rules.
Sorry that probably didn't help much.
Ellen
@all
The points system is baked into the community. Different number of points are earned for different things. Things deemed of higher quality earn more points. We have everything pretty stock and haven't done a lot of configuration in terms of the rewards system other than setting up some quests to help people learn about the site by performing introductory tasks. By participating in different ways on the site you earn mission badges and that defines the type of participant you are. As you repetitively complete these tasks, you level up. While "younger" people are more familiar with the the intrinsic nature of gamification all people no matter their life experience may find gamification interesting and subscribe to it at some level.
With some communities you earn additional privileges as you level up and increase your point total. We haven't configured any earned privileges at this time as the site's main focus is not to earn points, but to support each other in their quit journey.
Points on many online communities give credibility to someone's words as does their length of time as a member and number of contributions. Your level of membership will give context to a person reading how much skin you have in the game. Certainly there are cases where people may game the system but hopefully this is rare. Especially in this community. Also since points can be given away, points may not necessarily be a measure of how credible a person is if they've given all their points away and if someone is a new member but has been gifted thousands of points but they aren't quit. So that must be taken into consideration.
Given all that, this is why I stress the importance of not liberally giving away points or overusing helpful answer. While points may not matter, they're your badge of participation/contribution to the site. And the contributions made on the site are amazing!
As others have said, you don't "turn your points in" on the site for anything. They're not a virtual monetary system other than potentially a mark of your online reputation.
Hope this makes sense.
Mark
EX Community Manager
"the site's main focus is not to earn points, but to support each other in their quit journey."
I don't care about the points but OH MY GOODNESS.......I did not know Pops had deleted blogs. Of course, not smoking is the most important thing....but so is friendship and trust. I am so sorry he became upset by the kidding around........he will be missed form this site.
Hummmmm that's too bad about Ken but maybe that's partly the issue with the points Ellen, I don't think to check mine until someone mentions it.
Mark - I notice the two people with the minuses are the only two in the top group that have been shown as receiving any points over the last week or so.
That makes sense. Jive is investigating why points are not registering for some members, so the reverse would likely be true as well.
Mark
what do points exactly do? I know when I first joined the badges were a way to maneuver through the steps. I never understood the levels they have on here either
They mean absolutely NOTHING to me. Just my days adding up, don't mess with those!! ~Kathy
I don't look at my points. Never have. I think EVERY ONE should follow and not pay attention to points.
Well I agree with Lori and Kristin, I never understood all the point things anyway. In fact I recently just gave a bunch away. I think anyone working through a quit, considering to quit or s staying quit....are al as good as anyone else on this site....When I saw all the commotion about points, thats when I decided to give mine away. I don't need 'em anyway
Mandolinrain It is only worth following to see who you may have reached with a blog or a comment, you can see who liked something and trace it back to the actual comment. I don't care about the accrual of points, I just think that if you are going to do something...like offer points, you need to be consistent. The points do NOTHING, you can't SPEND them on STUFF, you can only spend them on good will and making others feel like you appreciate their efforts. I am somewhat OCD and it I see RED on my points or my BANK account, I simply want to know WHY! It's that simple...I would rather we had the thumbs up or down or hearts or stuff that Facebook has. Nuf said, I won't bring up the points again, PERIOD.
I had quite a few like over 200 disappear too Ellen and I think others have lost some.
Ok, well I just didnt understand it, is all. Thanks for 'pointing' me in the right direction, lol......I would wonder what was going on as well if if my points were in red....and they were. I thought it was because of my lack of being active on the site recently. Sorry if I upset you..., surely didn't mean to. xoxo
Mandolinrain I am done with the points, seriously, I don't really want to deal with feeling as though I am shallow if I notice a big red number next to my name. It's not your fault...it doesn't matter. I didn't come here to collect points, I came here to try to pass on what I had been given and to help other people.
I need a break.
XOXOXO,
Ellen
I Know my post here is a few weeks late, forgive me.. I understand now about the points - because once upon a time, I was deleting blogs and lots of people lost points and I Felt so terrible, I tracked down everyone who said they lost some and I tried to replace the points for them.
I'm with you, Ellen, I like to see how my posts and comments have impacted people. I always thought the points were fun. I enjoyed the challenge(s) of getting rewards for doing things on the site. It made me feel good to give them to others as well, along with a reward for them too!
I hope you get feeling better. Be Blessed.
It's terrible Ken deactivated his account; I enjoyed his blogs, his funny comments, his contributions. The fact he deactivated his account sounds so extreme. He could have just stepped away for a little while, decline his commitment to the Daily pledge, I have done so for the Freedom train when I felt it was going to put another layer of stress to my already fragile emotional state. And no one judged me for that. As for the points, sure it is nice when someone recognizes your contribution, or a new milestone you achieve, but like Ellen elvan says, I would be as happy with smileys, little hearts, or whatever other kind of emoji expressing how we feel we would have available.
Here, some for all of us tonight...
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Even though Ken has deactivated his account, you can still see his blog posts here Pops. I also hope he chooses to
reactivate. I miss him too.
As far as points are concerned, if we have them, they should work. If they don't work, we should not have them. I hope Jive gets it all worked out soon.
Also, in my humble opinion, it is INSANE for people to lose points after the fact. Makes no sense at all. Did the action that got them the points unhappen? Ellen elvan lost a busload of points, not a handful.
Mark, when will we get another update on where Jive is at on this? Thanks.
@ c2q on Aug 28, 2017 11:04 AMc2q wrote:
Even though Ken has deactivated his account, you can still see his blog posts here Pops. I also hope he chooses to reactive again. I miss him too.
Agree
c2q wrote:
As far as points are concerned, if we have them, they should work. If they don't work, we should not have them. I hope Jive gets it all worked out soon.
They're working for some people and not others. It's a temporary thing. Possibly by logging out fully and back in, it could fix it for some people.
c2q wrote:
Also, in my humble opinion, it is INSANE for people to lose points after the fact. Makes no sense at all. Did the action that got them the points unhappen? Ellen elvan lost a busload of points, not a handful.
I agree with you that in some cases the points shouldn't be lost and other cases it would be ok. The ability for people to be able to delete their own posts and others as a result isn't right in my opinion. Yes on occasion something is double posted but that is rare. There's no history for me on what was deleted. So I have no record on where points were lost and in what quantity.
c2q wrote:
Mark, when will we get another update on where Jive is at on this? Thanks.
I don't have timing on it. Sorry. They're working on it accordingly to their caseload and it's respective priority.
Mark
EX Community Manager
Thanks for the response. Perhaps the problem can be fixed going forward, Mark. Also, I know that this isn't the first time there has been a problem with point accumulation, and that the current problem has been going on for at least a week. I know that people have given away thousands of their own points to others, but many of those others haven't gotten them. Where are those points?
I would like to believe that this was an important issue for becomeanex in support of their community base. Perhaps Jive can provide an ETA.
@ c2q on Aug 28, 2017 11:40 AMc2q wrote:
Thanks for the response. Perhaps the problem can be fixed going forward, Mark. Also, I know that this isn't the first time there has been a problem with point accumulation, and that the current problem has been going on for at least a week. I know that people have given away thousands of their own points to others, but many of those others haven't gotten them. Where are those points?
The first time it happened it corrected itself before it could be found out what happened. The only way to resolve issues is to catch them in the act. Unfortunately last time it evaded.
At this time I can't tell you where the points are. I'm not a software engineer.
c2q wrote:
I would like to believe that this was an important issue for becomeanex in support of their community base. Perhaps Jive can provide an ETA.
It is an important issue to us but less important than the issue with things going into moderation that shouldn't be and may be prioritized slightly behind other Jive customer's higher priority issues. I'm tracking it and it is appropriately prioritized. Since the issue isn't fully understood I don't have an ETA on when it can be temporarily or permanently fixed. Hopefully we can temporarily fix things so that points can work temporarily and be restored more quickly until a permanent fix is created.
Mark
EX Community Manager
sorry, Mark. I didn't mean to beleaguer the point. I appreciate this site, and you. I'm afraid we are at crosshairs on this issue. Nothing more.
@ c2q on Aug 29, 2017 10:40 AM
No worries. I just don't have all the answers and things don't happen fast enough for me sometimes. Managing expectations and priorities is a challenging thing. I appreciate everyone pointing out when something doesn't go quite right. The red looks to be as a result of a recent departure from the site. The person elected to delete some of their posts and that resulted in the points getting deducted. It's unfortunate that that happens but not something I can prevent at this point.
Whether you like points or don't like them. It's all good. It seems that some people like them and others don't and others are on the fence or go back and forth between liking them and not. Wherever you stand is ok. If you don't care then you can ignore them.
Mark
EX Community Manager
Yes, it's frustrating. On the one hand, I'd just as soon not have them. On the other hand, if some people are earning points while others who contribute are not, or actually lose points for something someone else did, that bothers me. My points have been static for over a week, at least. Again, in my humble opinion, this is exactly the type of inconsistency that causes people to leave community websites.
@ c2q on Aug 29, 2017 12:04 PMI'm as bothered by it as you are. I likely lost points as well though I don't know as I don't typically look at them.
I have my suspicions on what might be happening but I need someone with the tools to confirm it to do so. I also don't like putting band-aids on things so hopefully this will get sorted out so we can put it in the rearview mirror and not be confronted with it. Last time it was "self-correcting" but that was only a band-aid.
Mark
EX Community Manager
I really wanted to get to 400,000 just for the halibut and I am now at 392,560 after receiving ZERO points for these past two weeks.
I gave away 8000 points in the space of an hour and what really irritates me is, THEY DIDN'T GET THEM and I don't have them either.
It's absolutely frightening to think there's a point monster in another dimension that can reach through a black hole and take points. :-)
These Inaccuracies Of The Past Two Weeks Makes This Whole Points System USELESS!
It's like saying "I had my last cigarette on the first of September but had another today."
I think we ought to turn this broken points system OFF.
I agree with Dale. Over the two week plus period the point software was not working, some people received points and some did not. Some were awarded points that were tallied and some did not. The "Leader" board no longer reflects reality. Turn the points system OFF!
No response needed.
Nancy
jonescarp.aka.dale.Jan_2007 and Youngatheart.7.4.12
The point system cannot be turned off easily. Some people may find it valuable. As with any computer application there can be issues, some of which can be rectified and others cannot be. Largely it has worked but in the past two weeks it didn't. Jive is still looking at restoring the earned points. The point system also helps with the spam prevention on the site. Eliminating it could adversely affect ability to keep spam off the site.
The leaderboard also cannot be easily turned off. It's been said before that the leaderboard can be ignored if you don't find value in it.
BonnieBee.quit.2.8.15 said:
I don't understand all the fuss about the points I just like to give them away especially to the newbies otherwise they have never made much sense to me for example : I see some serial quitters with more points then me and they sometimes have less then 100 DOF because each time they have quit the points get passed on .
Points aren't associated with DoF. They are either earned by participation on the site or acquired via badges from other members. If someone has participated more than you then they will have more points than you regardless of when they joined or how long they have been quit. If you have given away your points they could also have more points than you.
BonnieBee.quit.2.8.15 said:
because each time they have quit the points get passed on .
Points aren't passed on when someone quits.
Mark
EX Community Manager
I think Jive should go back through each like, and each helpful, and each blog written by every person to every person and make us whole. :-) :-)
You forgot to mention the subtractions vs. no additions of awarded points over the period of time it was down.
:-)
Thanks Mark for the information, and thanks to you and your team for getting this issue in hand. I know that you personally must have been a real driver in getting this sorted out; it is much appreciated. I'm glad that Jive is still looking into the case because I still would like to know more about what happened, so thank you again in advance for those updates that are coming.
And thanks, Pops, wherever you may be, for raising this question. It needed to be asked, because something that wasn't working right needed fixing.
As far as I am concerned, points are now a detriment to being active on this site, not an encouragement. I'd like to see a show of hands, so to speak, of the people who were negatively affected by whatever technical problem took place. What say you Mark, is that possible?
I'll go first: I lost going on 600 to 800 points just for content I created during the "points outage," not counting points that were gifted to me, which I also lost. As far as I can tell, I also lost xxx points when someone else deleted content that I had responded to in the past. Everything I feel about this issue is colored by the fact that, I can't help it. So as one of the people affected, I see this as two issues: 1) equity and 2) author's rights. I don't see it as "a little glitch" or as just another leg in the "badges or no badges" argument.
Relating to issue 1) If there is a point system, it should work the same for everyone across the board. If the point system isn't working properly, it should be suspended until it is fixed. Think about the implications if this isn't true. If it isn't possible to reasonably guarantee an equitable system, I'd like to know.
Relating to issue 2) If content has been created and responded to, it should be written in stone and no one should have the right to delete it or alter it except that site administrators may delete it for improper content (not edit it). Period. That's a common cyberethics standard. It has to do with the integrity of the author's work. This is one small item being considered in the Study on the Moral Rights of Attribution and Integrity currently being conducted by the United States Copyright Office. Public announcement of the study may be found here.
I believe that conversation around this issue is a chance to bring us together and make us stronger as a community. I hope all EXs can freely express their opinion about this issue here. As someone who lost a lot of points, I know that my voice is being heard by EX administrators, and I appreciate it. I hope everyone affected pipes in.
@ c2q on Sep 6, 2017 10:57 AMc2q wrote:
Thanks Mark for the information, and thanks to you and your team for getting this issue in hand. I know that you personally must have been a real driver in getting this sorted out; it is much appreciated. I'm glad that Jive is still looking into the case because I still would like to know more about what happened, so thank you again in advance for those updates that are coming.
It's not likely that providing details on what happened would be valuable. Jive will continue to investigate to rectify so it doesn't happen again and hopefully credit the earned points.
c2q wrote:
And thanks, Pops, wherever you may be, for raising this question. It needed to be asked, because something that wasn't working right needed fixing.
And elvan too
c2q wrote:
As far as I am concerned, points are now a detriment to being active on this site, not an encouragement. I'd like to see a show of hands, so to speak, of the people who were negatively affected by whatever technical problem took place. What say you Mark, is that possible?
Perhaps a detriment under the circumstances of an issue popping up related to them but overall a benefit. Hopefully it is a one time thing. I don't see any benefit to expending energy on getting a representative sample of viewpoints on a hopefully isolated event for a feature that cannot be easily turned off.
c2q wrote:
I'll go first: I lost going on 700 or 800 points just for content I created during the "points outage," not counting points that were gifted to me, which I also lost. As far as I can tell, I also lost xxx points when someone else deleted content that I had responded to. Everything I feel about this issue is colored by the fact that, I can't help it. So as one of the people affected, I see this as two issues: 1) equity and 2) author's rights. I don't see it as "a little glitch" or as just another leg in the "badges or no badges" argument.
Relating to issue 1) If there is a point system, it should work the same for everyone across the board. If the point system isn't working properly, it should be suspended until it is fixed. Think about the implications if this isn't true. If it isn't possible to reasonable guarantee an equitable system, I'd like to know.
Definitely not a little glitch. It was never treated as such. The point system can't just be "suspended". That option doesn't exist and if it did it would be inherently built on the idea that the system would fail. Suspending might also prohibit understanding why the issue is occurring, if you remember this same thing happened about 5 weeks ago and self corrected but couldn't be fixed because they weren't able to "catch it in the act". The issue is a bug. Some people lost ability to earn (Issue bug #1) points, and receive points (Issue bug #2). There is some relation but they're also separate. Hopefully the "earned" actions will be credited. It's still to be determined if that is possible.
c2q wrote:
Relating to issue 2) If content has been created and responded to, it should be written in stone and no one should have the right to delete it or alter it except that site administrators may delete it (not edit it). Period. That is a common cyberethics standard. It has to do with the integrity of the author's work. This is one small item being considered in the Study on the Moral Rights of Attribution and Integrity currently being conducted by the United States Copyright Office. Public announcement of the study may be found here.
I agree with you that the option to delete shouldn't exist. Unfortunately this is a feature/permission gap that isn't available for me to restrict. Other community platforms will allow the person to delete but then it moves the comments to be children of the root post. Hopefully this will be changed in the future to be more respectful of other's contributions.
Censorship-wise I do not agree with blanket deleting someone's post when only a portion of the post is prohibited. It is overly heavy-handed. Sometimes people break the rules because they didn't read the terms and conditions when they join or they forget them. Other times they intend what they post. Regardless, deleting their post in its entirety hardly seems fair. I honestly love feedback and can find value in even the most negative posts. Generally I take a light approach to moderation and only remove prohibited content, indicate where content has been removed and then indicate why something has been edited. This ensures transparency on what was removed and also affirms that what remains is allowed. It also hopefully educates for future posting behavior. Simply deleting benefits no one. Thankfully this community requires little moderation in comparison to other communities I've managed. I'm hoping it stays that way because I'd rather be in the mix helping people than playing tranquility cop.
Mark
EX Community Manager
I never said you thought the problem was a little glitch, Mark; someone else did. I was addressing them.
It took me several hours to compose a thoughtful and considered response. You torpedoed every point I offered with less that 20 minutes consideration given to the things I said.
If you don't get the legal ramifications of what I was talking about, I hope your bosses do. If you have arbitrarily decided that it's not likely that providing details about what happened would be valuable, you are missing a proven morale building opportunity.
that is it for me for a while. I am taking a vacation from this site. ShawnP, I will pm you about the train.
I don't understand all the fuss about the points I just like to give them away especially to the newbies otherwise they have never made much sense to me for example : I see some serial quitters with more points then me and they sometimes have less then 100 DOF because each time they have quit the points get passed on .
EXactly Bonnie-----they are good for nothing. I just give them away to people with milestones or to say thanks or for whatever. Mine go up and down.......really can't remember where I was the day before or where I am now. I don't think I need points to be on the site....so I don't care if I give them all away. Only, I do have to make my "give aways" for a reason because you have to attach them to a badge.
Hello @all!
You should be receiving points again. If you're not, please let me know by replying to this comment.
The case isn't closed out yet.
1. Points you earned while there was an issue may or may not be received. Jive is still looking into the case. I'll update you when I know more.
2. Points you were given while there was an issue will not likely be received. Jive has identified an issue where this happens. Unfortunately the points are debited from the account they are given by but don't always arrive in the account they are awarded to. I'll update you when I know more.
Mark
EX Community Manager
Mark I am no longer looking at the points or paying attention to whether or not they go up or down, I am not giving them, I felt seriously hurt by comments and I know for a fact that Pops did as well. It is simply not worth it. I will continue my participation in EX, but I will say that some of the shine has gone away. That said, life goes on.
((((((((((Here's a huge loving, caring, gentle cyber hug from me to you sweet Ellen)))))))))) I've felt for quite some time that the lustre and the shine has gone away my sweet friend and fellow Exer. elvan but not by you because you are one of the shining stars in this place, you bring the lustre which is really needed to brighten up someone's day.
Marilyn.H.July.14.14. Thank you my sweet friend, that means a lot. I am not going anywhere. Love you.
Ellen you are absolutely one of the rock stars on this site. If I could give you points I'd give you a gizzilion. You're right - its not about the points its about the help that you give, and for that I'm extremely grateful to you.
Love ya, Andy
Ellen---I was going to private message you but decided against that.....here it is--out in the open....
My response on points WAS NOT DIRECTED AT YOU. It was your blog originally....so when I started to comment I saw it said "Reply to Elvan" and I DID NOT want you to think my reply on the SUBJECT was a reply AT YOU. And so----I said......"This says reply to elvan but is really for everyone".
Sorry for any misunderstanding.
It's fine, I have let it go and I did not take it personally. Thanks for the unnecessary apology.
Ellen
@All
Just another update.
Mark
EX Community Manager
This says reply to Elvan but is really for everyone.......
So--sorry to ONCE AGAIN be such a dissenter......but..................
1. Pops leaving did not have anything to do with the malfunction of the point system or points going up or down or my giving points or you getting points etc.etc. AT LEAST MY UNDERSTANDING was that Pops was hurt by a joke someone made about him trying to somehow "get" points in some crazy way.If I am incorrect.....sorry. In any case....let's keep our perspective.....the site can hardly be blamed for a joke someone made that was misunderstood.
2. If we all do not care about points.....why are we caring about points? It's not working correctly......OK. I get it . The points system on EX is not working right. OK. I'll probably be able to live with that little glitch without it affecting my daily life.
3. Points are not connected with days quit.....and you can see that as soon as you look at the leaderboard. Points do not detract from my quit in the least......or from yours.
As ALWAYS-------In MY OPINION ONLY..........
And please......if you have anything to reply to this.....please do so openly and not hit me with some private message on how I am always on the "other side"......say it right out in the open.
I am not always on the "other side" but I am on the side I choose to be on after I think things through and form MY OWN OPINION.
We've all got our way about us and how we interact with each other Sootie and I'm only reading this and it's not even directed at me and I find your words quite cutting so I'll take what I need and leave the rest and I hope our dear friend Ellen also takes what she needs and leaves the rest. I sometimes find that having our own opinion or thoughts just isn't a good idea to voice because you feel like you're being shot down and I've been on the receiving end once or twice myself and it's not a nice place to be! I thought I'd put this out there and not in a private message, I'm just thinking of our friend and fellow Exer elvan because she's family here too and she was the 1st person who took the time to chat with me every evening when I first came here and I don't want her feelings or anyone's feelings to be hurt, we're here to build each other up not down and this is just my opinion and how I feel, if I've overstepped I do apologize and I know this probably isn't directed right at Ellen but I was reading between the lines and am probably off base about it being direted any one person! Let's put on a positive attitude and smile and help people with their quits.
Marilyn----as I attempted to say.....not between the lines but right up front.....this was not "to Ellen". Since it was Ellen's blog originally.....ALL of the responses are marked "to Ellen". I DID NOT want Ellen to think my comments were directed "to" her and that is precisely why I went out of my way to say my statements were to the general population and NOT Ellen.
If my remarks seemed cutting......I apologize. Don't exactly see how they were....but ok, I apologize.
However, I disagree about not expressing opinions. I do not think opinions about people should be expressed if they are negative as that surely is hurtful. I don't think you can look back on any of my posts and see a negative opinion towards someone. However, after over 21 opinions on "points" were expressed, I certainly think I had the right to express mine without being told maybe I should not have done that because someone felt they were "shot down". I don't know how that can be as the post was about how I felt about "points" and about the site systems not working and not about anyone in particular.
And I said that right up front.
At the moment - I'm done with giving away points. I'll happily give badges, but if points earned are the ones that will always stick - I guess that's really the point. Isn't it? Our input here. Our personal activity generates more points that 'stick' ultimately than those that aren't "earned." At least that's what seems to be the case in this latest points glitch on Jive. Earned points seem to have more Value than badge awarded points. So let's just give happy badges and forget about points. And if somebody wants more points - well then they're just going to have to "earn" them on their own, just as all the rest of us did by putting up blogs and commenting on blogs and being actively present on the site on a regular basis offering support day after day, year after year.
Personally I hated badges to begin with, I don't care much for points either. A few people seem to find points and badges beneficial and that's fine. I wonder how many do as opposed to how many don't. (Jennifer - want to put up a poll to see how may people like points vs the opposite? You're good with polls.) I find all this focus on the subject - it makes me so angry - it is such a waste of time that could be spent on ...ANYTHING else. And yet here I am spending 20 minutes offering my stupid point of view. Because it frustrates and angers me. And I need to vent too. But seriously what a waste of emotional time!
Perhaps the fairest thing with the onslaught (and I mean that word very truly) of the new platform would have been to have all of us start with a zero balance of points and badges. Those who contribute the most and have done so on this site would be recognized immediately. At the end of Day 1, who commented the most on blogs? Who wrote the most blogs? Who contributed the most overall that day would probably be at the top of the leader list with 50 points or - whatever- just as they are now with 500,000 points. But that didn't happen. If you look at the leader board rankings, to my mind it makes no sense. Some people who have hardly contributed in a year have a higher ranking than those who are here every day offering support. So I just don't get it. But I guess to people who live in leader board land - it makes sense and is important to them.
Personally I look to the people who are present and contributing on the site every day. They get my silent badge of thanks every day. What are points and badges after all but a reflection of reputation and support given. Those need no special accolades - badges nor points. It is the word of mouth on the site that points to the stars that shine the brightest in support. And that's really the POINT.
I was being Fa See Shus except about getting rid of the points altogether.
After all, if they aren't accurate, they mean nothing, and, if they are accurate you can turn them in for nothing.
(facetious)
Perfectly worded Giulia, thank you for posting this, I thank you Giulia , jonescarp.aka.dale.Jan_2007 , elvan , ShawnP , Thomas3.20.2010 and so many more of you my friends and fellow Exers that are here helping to get the word out that smoking kills but quitting smoking saves lives and by being here on this site to reach out to the people is what this community is all about that's what counts! I'm sorry that I only mentioned a few names above but I've only had one coffee and I'm half asleep but each and everyone in this community is vital and is part of this awesome Ex Family.
I have no clue about points I just have to say:
You are my Tribe!
Yay Thomas3.20.2010 yay for each and everyone of us for being part of this quit smoking tribe, we are the Exers!
I'm in somebody's tribe....too cool!!!
WHO CARES ABOUT THE POINTS!!!!!! %#%%^*%%%^**^%#}}#%^**^
I am so tired of hearing about these stupid points!!! My goodness, drop it!!!
Take What You Need And Leave The Rest. :-)
@All
When elvan reported this issue to me here in Community Help it wasn't because I believe she was really concerned about them, she'd be here, in my opinion, regardless. Rather she alerted me to it, as did pops simply because they wanted me to know there may be a problem. That way I could alert Jive so they could work on resolving the issue.
Points seem to be an emotionally-packed topic and should not be used in association with any type of sarcasm. Whatever your viewpoint, whether you are for or against them, everyone's opinion should be respected. This is not a matter of "Take the best and leave the rest". If you like the points and it helps you quit, great. If they bother you, ignore them.
Anyone who recently been unable to receive Badge Points now able to receive them?
I'm pretty sure I posted this previously(trying to locate where I put it) that the points you received when we moved to Jive were calculated based on everyone's prior participation up until now. So people like Cyn, ManofSteele, Tommy, though not active anymore, can be recognized for their past participation on the site. Even though they're not currently active, their content can be discoverable for people to become educated on their quit journey. I don't see anyone in the top 10 of the Leaderboard who isn't at least infrequently active on the site, with the exception of Cyn.
There is an option to filter down the Leaderboard to the last week, last month or overall. Missions and Badges can also be adjusted.
Polls posted publicly aren't necessarily representative of the member population. To get a better sense, the poll would need to be sent out to a randomly selected cross-section of participating members from new to established.
Thanks for clarifying that your post wasn't directed at anyone in particular though it appears that you were replying to elvan.
Most of what you said was accurate however Pops did delete some of his content and as a result the comments on his posts were deleted because they were children of his comments and the points associated with that content was also deleted. The issue with points not accruing or not being received by some members is unrelated to Pops leaving. Yes the conversation may have gotten heated due to the topic of earning points but they're otherwise unrelated.
Mark
EX Community Manager
Mine are almost gone !!!! I guess I definitely give away more then I earn..... something like my money but I spend more then I earn in that department ........the story of my life !
c2q raising my hand: I saw a minus 7 or 800 one day sometime last week maybe? The week before? When Pops deleted his stuff maybe? Don't recall the day nor the exact number. Have no idea if I got them back or not. Matters not a whit to me. I don't keep close track of them.
Right, thanks, Giulia. Those are some of the points I didn't count in my comment above. I think my number was about the same, mabye 1200; I don't know exactly either. Please raise your other hand and tell us how many points you earned but didn't receive during the period that the point counter was broken. Those are the ones I was asking about.
@ c2q on Sep 6, 2017 1:12 PMc2q I have no idea. I believe I got the 1,000 that Dale sent me, but have no idea as far as others who might have sent some. Unless there's some way to go back and discover it all after the fact.
I'll just clarify again, Giulia, thanks for responding. I'm not talking about gifted points, which many of us did not receive, even though you may have. I'm talking about points generated by content that you created (i.e. blog posts, discussions, comments) during the time that the point system wasn't working properly. During that roughly 2 week period, some people continued to generate point when they created content, and some did not. Those are the only points I was talking about. I understand that it matters not a whit to you. so I especially appreciate you taking the time to continue to comment.
I lost at least 4,000 that were gifted to me, and probably an average of 250 a day for blogs, likes, helpfuls, comments, etc. I have decided not to look at the "leader" board anymore because it has been compromised beyond restoration - imho.
I really thought I was finished with this conversation but it keeps coming up. I call a spade a spade. Many a truth are told in a joke. Points was/have become to "some" a form of addiction, obsession, a type of gambling, gaming especially for the Ex gambler, addict in us. I was taken back when I literally found out for myself and still continue to see some forms of it. I try to keep the blinders on but the truth is the truth. There are those here who in my opinion focus on the number of points they may receive in a day. So we can stop making EXcuses and EXplaining that away. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to see it or have seen it. If someone gets offended about what someone says about points maybe it's because the truth hurts. So you can get mad, feelings hurt, threaten to leave , leave, etc. because of the truth?
I see nothing wrong to alert that something is wrong with the system but when the points are/ have become "part" of the priority of your day you may just have a "problem". "Where am I on the leadership board"? "How many points did I get today?" "Why am I not getting my points?". Ugh FOCUS people. It is about quitting smoking. HELLO. Just think about it or hold on your points you may be able to cash them in at a later date. I am hoping this is the end of this conversation for me. Take what you can use and believe the rest.
Y'all make me want to smoke with this nonsense. It's not about points or badges. Let's help each other maintain!
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That is what exactly what I am saying. Welcome back.
I never think of the points unless a post reminds me of them, they just sit there day after day.
What is the point of points???
I just use them to give badges.
well, there was a different area in that same post
where you explain the points and what they do
but I'm not into the points / I just give them away
I was so happy to see this post buried off of the first page, but alas, it rises once again!
Me too. Alas is right.
Points are having an issue again. I'm aware of it and am working to get it resolved.
Mark
EX Community Manager
If you see an issue with earning points, please post a comment here.
For more explanation on the issue, review my blog The Scoop on Jive Rewards: Badges, Points and Quests . Locking this topic to consolidate discussion and comments about it. Go to my blog for further discussion.
Mark
EX Community Manager
Hello @all!
You should be receiving points again. If you're not, please let me know by replying to this comment.
The case isn't closed out yet.
1. Points you earned while there was an issue may or may not be received. Jive is still looking into the case. I'll update you when I know more.
2. Points you were given while there was an issue will not likely be received. Jive has identified an issue where this happens. Unfortunately the points are debited from the account they are given by but don't always arrive in the account they are awarded to. I'll update you when I know more.
Mark
EX Community Manager