Give and get support around quitting
I didn't want this exchange to get lost as it is, at the moment, just comments within a badge gifting. And so I'm putting it into conversation mode so that others can be made more aware of it and be more likely to comment.
Wow - so sweet of you!
Thanks! I will use them wisely (once I figure out what, if anything, I can do with them!)
"-)
Why? Who"needs" them? I mean I am really not trying to be sarcastic.....why do you need them (seriously)? Just to move higher on the leaderboard? I don't care about that at all. I'd rather give them away to people who make my life on EX fun, interesting, challenging and worthwhile.
Sootie of course badges and points don't mean anything...to those who have a sense of security about their quits or their commitment - or THEMSELVES for that matter. To those who understand that .... oh - don't get me started - never mind I have started. lol
The POWERS THAT BE believe that Badges and Points "gamification" as they call it - are incentives to those who have the psychological NEED for that, to ENCOURAGE them in their quit progress, to help motivate people not only to quit, but to become and remain active within the EX Community. It's based on statistical findings that have no true relevance to this support community (in my humble opinion). I think what makes people remain active here (or at least keep them lurking) is that we disseminate heartfelt, passionate truths about this addiction from the point of view and actual experience of those who have "been there, done that."
Although, like you I'm able to see both sides. And I understand that some people, I guess, really need that kind of psychological award/reward system to motivate them and spur them on to the next day's quit. The trouble is - none of us with long-term quits find that tactic useful. We find it silly. What's USEFUL is the support, knowledge and wisdom of this community. What's USEFUL is the Daily Pledge, Freedom Train Ride mentions. The Elder List accomplishment. Because it's a PEER BASED accolade. The motivation to quit comes from peer support, acknowledgement, pressure... whatever. (Just like the motivation to put a cigarette in our mouths for the first time did.) Points and Badges are for children. And that may work wonderfully well for them. But I think we've shown after all the years on this site of talking and railing against such trivial accolades - that the badge that truly motivates is that Badge of Honor we acquire for ourselves by remaining steadfast to our commitment to our quits. And the points that count are really the amount of smoke-free days we’ve earned.
If you're spending most of your time studying the leaderboard and your stats on it, then you're paying less attention to the material you should be on this site.
MOO
Are you speaking about the vocal and active community members with long-term quits?
Yes. And it's obvious from the many varied and wonderful responses that my opinion is not shared by all! And I'm learning a lot from the other attitudes expressed!
Oops, used the wrong word Mark. It was actually in completing one of the quests. Couldn't figure out how to mark a document as "helpful". It really is not that big of deal. The big urges that I was fighting by playing in the deeper parts of the playground have passed.
Do you see the "Helpful" button in green on https://excommunity.becomeanex.org/docs/DOC-1172-let-s-talk-about-humanizing-our-ex-co-event-summary ? Not all documents have this button.
Mark
EX Community Manager
The fact that some don't have it confused me.
gregp136 wrote:
The fact that some don't have it confused me.
The comments need to be enabled to have the option appear. I agree that is confusing and hadn't noticed it until now. Not sure why comments can't be off and still allow you to mark the document helpful. Thanks for the feedback.
Mark
EX Community Manager
Though I was first on here back in 2010, it was for such a brief period and so long ago that I don't remember the old site and what was different. I can see both sides to this whole "gamifcation". If you're only focused on how many points and/or badges you have, then you've missed the point of this site altogether. Since I consider myself a newbie (cause I am in spite of how long I've been a member), I can understand how it helps some, myself included. I not only want/need to come here for support, but like knowing that I am contributing something as well.
Can this be done without the "game"? Yes, whenever I get positive feedback (particularly from the elders), I know I am contributing (not just taking). And it doesn't have to be just from the elders - fellow newbies encourage me and vice versa. When I first launched this quit, some elders gave me a welcome badge with some points to get me going. Was that as valuable as their wisdom, their support? Not even remotely, but it was a good way to get on board.
I've said it before and I'll say it again to all (elders and fellow newbies):
THANK YOU!!
Doug
Fortunately I have not experienced questions about challenges. I have experienced giving someone a badge or points to when they least expected and said that it was appreciated at that very moment needed. Pops you included. It depends where your focus is. On the board or the people. I love the people. It all works together for the good of the people if you are doing the right thing getting points doesn't matter. For me giving them is something available for me to be able to do. It is there so I use it happily.
What does bother me about the points gathering thingy. (I could be wrong) If you are clicking on like for comments you get them. So their is a lot of clicking like whether you like it or not. LOL So yes that are some that concentrate on numbers. If that is their focus keep clicking. That may be their thing. As may daddy would say. "No one is dying over it." I say don't sweat the small stuff and keep it moving. It is about quitting smoking and garnering friendships, Points and badges are fun. Let the games begin. I may win this lottery after all. Have fun everyone. Life is short.
This turned into quite an interesting discussion.....to be continued? (:
freeneasy It DID, didn't it! I hope others will chime in with their "take."