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jamieroden1
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Brainwashing

This is sort of a rant, kind of confusing, so i apologize in advance. For me, it's not the withdrawals that get me. I get zero physical symptoms. I'm fine. It's my brain that is the problem. I like smoking. I enjoy my time alone outside. I figured out why it's so hard, the problem is figuring out a way to get out of that mindset. I miss it. I have read stories of people that are happy and dont ever want another, and then I've read stories of people who are years smoke free and still want one daily. What is the difference in these people? It makes me happy. I understand that it's the effect of the dopamine, but how do I avoid it? I dont really have anyone to talk to about it because most people I know who smoke dont really want me to quit because then it would effect them. They do for health reasons of course, but deep down, they dont want to be the only ones left. I understand that, but it just sucks bc they are capable of being only so supportive. I'm not sure they would even admit that because it sounds terrible. I'm not close to anyone that has quit. I guess I do want to but I'm wondering if I do deep deep down. Tonight was a slip. I knew it would be as soon as I got up this morning. But i dont want to give up. But i also dont want to be miserable. I just dont know how to get a handle on it. I know it's better on the other side. I wish I could make smoking a cigarette a miserable experience, but I dont know how! I know all the health facts, i have all the reasons, I've read the book and a million articles and stories. I've done my research and tried all the tricks. I have to find a way to get my brain on board. I need help, but i dont know what kind or where to get it. I dont want to spend my life torturing myself by quitting a million times. I just want to be done. I feel so confused and conflicted and guilty. Its all mental, I know. But I dont how to control it

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jamieroden1
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Oh no your fine . I should say, not correct for me. Whenever you look up quitting smoking. It's always the same stuff. That stuff is helpful, but it's the same everywhere. The nicotine is out of your system in 3 days, quit aids, distraction, mints, gum, stuff like that. I need to understand the mental battle more than the physical. I can distract myself all I want to, but if I am not prepared to fight against myself mentally, it wont work. So understanding that better is what is going to help me the most. All of the comments above are very helpful with that. I need to be ready for when I try to tell myself that I am happier smoking, and prepared to handle all of the emotional stuff that goes with it. I expected withdrawal to be physical, so I wasn't prepared for my brain to try to trip myself up. The junkie thinking. I need to look into that specifically. Most articles dont tell you that you will just want to cry. That you feel so lonely and all of that stuff. They talk about being short tempered and all that, but that is just the tip of the iceberg. I feel like that is more controllable than the other things. It's just a lot more than I was prepared for. Feeling so lost. And honestl . You can only distract yourself so much. You have to prepare for those quiet times when you are left alone with your thoughts, that's when its dangerous, but it's not completely avoidable. So yea, that's pretty much what I meant. Maybe everyone else already knew all of that and I was just really naive going into this, but that has been my experience. I stay at home, my kids are all in school now and we live way out in the country so I can really do much. It's an hour round trip just driving to go anywhere. I clean the house and do all of the typical chores and errands, take long showers, and listen to music and things like that but I cant take walks because people fly down these country roads and there are dogs and stuff so i dont really feel safe, and I dont have the gas or money to really go do things, plus I dont have a ton of time left after doing my daily things before the kids get home. That may be making it harder on myself, I dont know. But there is not much to do to change it. I say all of that not to whine, but just to be realistic. I have to be able to control the mental side of things better, because distraction does not always work. So yea, that's pretty much what I meant lol

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jamieroden1
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Oh, and just to be clear, I didnt mean this site when I say all the same stuff. This site and all of you guys have been extremely helpful. I finally took the time to really read a lot of the posts on here from the best of ex stuff and from other members and it seems much more real here, people honestly venting about their struggles and people offering so many good suggestions outside of just the normal stuff you would find from googling. This is seriously the most in depth I have been in trying to work all of this out, and figuring out why I give in so easily every time I try to quit. You guys have given me a lot to think about and learn about. I did fail this time, but I am picking it right back up and I feel so much better that this time will be the last. I will quit. There is no trying about it anymore. 

jamieroden1
Member

This! This is the stuff I need to read more of!

Junkie thinking: a smoker's worst enemy. 

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jamieroden1
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Giulia
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Thanks for illuminating that.  You're right.  The same old stuff is "the nicotine is out of your system after 3 days...distractions,, mint gums..."  Yup.  Behavioral changes, psychological changes are a whole 'nother challenge.  BUT, the nicotine IS out of our systems - mostly - after three days and distractions and mint and gum, etc., DO help.

"This is seriously the most in depth I have been in trying to work all of this out, and figuring out why I give in so easily every time I try to quit. "  Good.  That's EXACTLY what this takes (MOO - my opinion only).  Addiction is addiction, but our particular relationship to our addiction is what I think we need to come to grasps with.  It's easy to say we're all addicted to this substance and the nicotine receptors in our brains have been changed because of it.  But how we come to understand our particular relationship to our addiction and then how we choose to DEAL with it and overcome it is what makes the difference between success and failure.  

"You have to prepare for those quiet times when you are left alone with your thoughts, that's when its dangerous, but it's not completely avoidable"  This is EXACTLY what I was asking for.  This kind of in-depth self analysis.  How does one avoid the dangerous, negative thoughts when they seem unavoidable?  How does one turn their minds to the positive when the negative is screaming at them?  I have a feeling YOU'RE going to be the one who will teach us a lot about that.  

"I have to be able to control the mental side of things better, because distraction does not always work."  Truth.  Distraction does not always work.  Can't wait until you figure out how to control the mental side!  I'm just now learning to find a piece of joy that I've experienced and be able to recreate it in my mind.  Focus on IT, rather than the blathering negatives of the day.  

jamieroden1
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I really hope I can. It's like a puzzle or something to me, like I have this need to unravel it to be able to have the right answers in my head when I am fighting myself "A smoker needs to know all about junkie thinking before you smoke your last cigarette. If this whole junkie-thinking thing comes as a surprise to you after you smoke what you hope will be your last cigarette, I would bet that you will not make it and I would win that bet over 90% of the time." I just read this last night and it is completely accurate. I think I am just about ready to be done for good. But this time I am going to do it right. It will be the last, no matter what. I think I am finally coming to terms with everything, and finally really ready. It feels different this time. I have always wanted to quit. But now I feel much more prepared, and stronger with what I've learned. And you are very right. Our addiction is so personal that we cant just take a one size fits all approach. I have to take the time necessary to dig deep and really figure out what will work for me. I'm finally starting to get there. All these things that seem so obvious, they really do need to be said out loud. And we do need to be told sometimes the things that seem harsh. They are what make you think. I will be making my list today. I may drive my kids insane because I will be up theirs butts instead of them being up mine haha. They are the best distraction and a constant reminder of why I am doing this. 

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jamieroden1
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I'm kind of thinking it's like parenting yourself. Like a kid wants to eat a ton of candy. Yes, I know you want to but it's not good for you. Maybe we shouldn't deny that we do want it, because even if we really dont, we really do. Maybe reasoning with myself will be better than trying to convince myself that I dont want something that my brain clearly does. I do want it, but choose not to. And eventually i wont want it anymore. More of a you choose the behavior you choose the consequences approach instead. We choose not to do things we want to all the time because we know the consequences would suck. Like rear ending that super slow driver you cant get around lol. So I'm going into this knowing that my kid brain will beg, but I have to be the responsible parent and do whats best for it instead.

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YoungAtHeart
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I love reading your train of thought.  I might add to your list of resources to get past a crave:  march in place, do a set of jumping jacks, push-ups if you can, find a yoga routine or work-out on YouTube, go up and down the stairs a few times, put on some music and sing out loud to it, or dance - all of these will give you that hit of dopamine you are missing and don't involve dangerous country roads.

Keep working on your plan  I have no doubt it will allow you to be successful!

Nancy

jamieroden1
Member

Lol thank you. It's a bit of train wreck at this point, and a little redundant, but its getting there . I love music so I will definitely be using that. Dancing around is a good idea. I do it when I clean lol, but I will need to do it more often.