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quitter-wife
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divert frustration

I am a wife of a smoker. He has been trying to quit off and on for several years. I realize that this is one of the most difficult tasks anyone can take on. My question is how to redirect him when he tells me I am the reason for his not quitting in the past.  I have drive him nuts. To add to his problems he is disabled,  has chronic pain and other health issues. Do any of you have any suggestions to diffuse his anger with me? I try to leave the room, which just makes it worse. I know he is frustrated. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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YoungAtHeart
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Nagging will not do a bit of good.  He won't quit until he's ready.  What you can do is nonchalantly read some of the life stories here (you were just looking for information on quitting for him).  Find the "I don't want to quit but I have to" ones - and follow their journeys aloud for him. 

Deep down he DOES want to quit - but he probably believes he already has too much on his plate to also be uncomfortable and committed.  If you can get the message across that dying of COPD is a TERRIBLE way to die, that might also help to push him in a positive direction.

I wish you the best with this!

Nancy

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Giulia
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Ah.  Now I better understand.  I thought maybe he was irritated perhaps because you kept bringing it up.  I see that's not the case.  It's all YOUR fault.  YOU are the trigger.  He's fine until YOU get home.  Well we all know that's just the addiction speaking.  That need to blame anything and everyone but ourselves on our failure,

I understand his feeling, however, by his statement that "what he needs is not in a book."  That's another excuse, of course.  There has to be some magical change within him and reading a silly book about quitting won't make that happen, he thinks.  He's just afraid of it, is all.  His refusal to read it is purely defensive.  MOO (my opinion only).

So you have to find some kind of a hook to get him to read.  Because reading is precisely what he needs to do.  It is reading (education) and support that enabled most of us to finally conquer this addiction.  I'm sure you've suggested this site, and he probably balked at that too.  Maybe if you read through Best of EX‌ yourself and picked out one blog that you think might move him.  Or even just printed it out and left it lying around in a non-obvious place (You have to be clever in this business of convincing.  lol).  Something like:  https://excommunity.becomeanex.org/groups/best-of-ex/blog/2016/12/07/your-quit-is-not-here   Or a blog somewhere with the title I HATE QUITTING!  Something that will enable him to understand that 1) he's not alone in the struggle and 2) it IS possible to beat this bugger.  

He's right in that quitting has to come from within.  Quitting is a transformation from the inside out.  But in order for that transformation to occur, it takes a lot of in depth study, not only of ourselves, but of the nature of the addition itself and especially our relationship with it.  

The hook that helped most of us overcome this was simply the knowledge that it IS an addiction and not just a "bad habit."  Willpower alone will generally not work in overcoming an addiction.  But self-discipline coupled with knowledge and support goes a long way down the path to success.  

Interesting that after I wrote the last bit I glanced up at Nancy's post to see she said the same practically the same thing.

Have you suggested an NRT?  It won't cure the cravings but does lessen it for some.  But you can only show the horse the water.  It has to put its nose down to drink.  I hope he drinks of the waters of Freedom soon.  

quitter-wife
Member

He has been using the NRT ( patches and lozenges) and is vaping. I appreciate your reply. I specifically came to this site to get an ex-smokers insight. I thought perhaps it would open a door for me to be more helpful to him. I have tried many of the suggestions you have stated. It is hard not to take his comments and talks personally. I know it is the addition talking, but keeping up a strong mental game being positive VERY difficult. I have even left the room of the house when he is like this and it is twice as bad when I get back. Again any and all suggestions are appreciated. Especially thank you for “listening”.

elvan
Member

This is not your fault and you have to accept that.  He is addicted to nicotine, I know this is going to sound strange but YOU are addicted to HIM.  You are allowing HIS behavior to dictate your life just like he is allowing his addiction to dictate HIS.  Seriously, I did not want to hear that when my husband got sober and it took ME a very, very long time to be able to quit smoking.  I tried many times before this quit and I failed because of the power of MY addiction to nicotine.  It was controlling everything I did...every time I failed, I felt worse and I did not want anyone to know when I failed.  I did not blame anyone, although there was more than one failed quit that happened because of anger.  He has to accept that he is addicted and he has to own that.  You have to take care of yourself and understand that you cannot fix him...it's above your pay grade. If he is using NRT and vaping and smoking...he is in danger of ingesting too much nicotine...please take care of YOU. There is a chance that he will see the light if he doesn't have you to abuse.  He has to take responsibility for himself and what smoking is doing to him...you cannot do it FOR him.

Ellen

GyorgyiM
Member

You will be of no use to him if his attitude ruins you spiritually and or mentally. That will eventually manifest physically and then you BOTH will have issues and no one will ever get or be healthy.

I know there is a way to concur this manipulative and frustrating issue....Perhaps the suggestions of these fine folks on this site has or will give you direction...

In the meantime..........

hugs.

Giulia
Member

Have you ever simply stopped in your tracks, looked him dead in the eye, opened your hands and said, "What can I do to help you quit?  What do you want me to do to help you?  Just tell me.  Whatever it is, I'll do it."  And if so, what's his answer been?  

I still don't quite grasp why he's lashing out at you about smoking/quitting, if you're not talking about smoking with him, not badgering, how does the subject continue to come up?  Does HE bring it up every day or what?  You say "when he is like this.."  Like what exactly?  If he's yelling at you, it's gotta be for a reason, no?  If not a real one, then one perceived in his head.  I can see a scenario where someone asks for help, you give them your best advice and then they want to argue with you about it.  It's like, "excuse me, but you asked for my help and advice.  Why ask, if you just want to argue about it?  This is my opinion.  YOU asked for it.  Don't yell at me for it.  You can take it or leave it."     The other thing I find common is that the person wants help but wants the help THEIR way.  I'm guilty of that.  I may ask for help with something - like with gathering up the garden hose, for instance.  And then when it's not wrapped the way I WANT IT, I get teed off.  For, you see, I wanted the help the way I (capital I) wanted it, not the way the person who helped gave it.  I've learned if you want help, then you either get over yourself and be grateful for the help, or you do it yourself!

I'm babbling.  Trying to play psychologist without a license.  lol  Wish I could unravel it for you.  I will tell you this, the more you can remind yourself to keep a sense of humor about it all, the better off you'll be.

quitter-wife
Member

Thanks again for the reply.

Let me explain where this is all coming from. I am not innocent.. You know there are always 2 sides to each story. Let me attempt to tell his as unbiased as possible. Several years ago He tried to quit and was down to 1 ppd ( from 2-3 ppd) for a couple of months.  He did not tell me he was doing this. I was very happy for him and he was excited to quit. He felt he had to ask for my permission to complete the process as he said he “did  not know what it would look like.“  naturally he was afraid how the withdrawal would affect him. I said of course and I would support him in any way I could. Somehow we got into a disagreement I that night. Neither of us remember what instigated it, but he said I cannot quit and deal with your “having something to say”  and being argumentative.  So he stopped the quitting process. He has been angry with me ever since. There are things that that I do that  “urk “him and dang it if I don’t manage to do this things on a daily basis ( without even trying). This is upsetting to him which is upsetting to me. Both of us become frustrated, me with myself and not being able to calm him down after the offending incident.  He is frustrated and angry with my repetitive “urking” behavior. He is saying I am doing this on purpose just to push his buttons”. It is not that I mean to upset him., a lot of it is my lack of self-awareness. I have been trying to make it up to him by trying to catch myself before these thing happen.  ( ie: speaking loud enough so he can hear me, Not walking away from him when he is angry with me. Be appropriate, as he calls it. Owning the offence and apologizing immediately). He does not want things done for him or things given to him.  I have “dug a whole” of which I cannot get out of.  He is angry today because of outside stressors from yesterday. Things beyond our control but needed to be addressed yesterday. So he is back to smoking. I did not address his smoking yesterday (which he expected me to) to help get him back on track so He does not believe  it is important to me whether he quits or not. He is a black and white type of guy. Likes to have a problem solved and never return to it again. ( me too)

Hope this helps you better understand why I need some “ex-smoker” insight..

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Never_again
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Sounds like my grumpy self every single attempt. It' not you. He is looking for the reason to smoke. I would start the fights. Oh the best one was you chew too loud. Let him do what he does. I have tried so many times that the support is not there. They always say I will go back. He needs to do this for himself. It' going to be hard on both of you. Him for obvious reasons and you will end up the punching bag. I wish you both the best. Just hang in there. 

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Giulia
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Wow.  Sounds like he's been angry for two years.  I don't know what to advise, but it sounds like the problem is more his than yours.  I've had experiences with one person in my life who though I was deliberately trying to upset them, when I really wasn't.  I was just being me and having a different point of view, and freely expressing it.  But they took it like I was, as you said "trying to push their buttons."  And the only way I could stop that was to either say nothing at all, or "pretend" that I agreed with them by saying "uhmmm hmmmm."  And then I'd be accused of pretense.  For me it was a no win situation.  All you can do in that situation is say, "Sorry, I didn't mean to upset you."  Sounds to me like he needs to get over himself.  Blaming you for not being able to quit is - well, as he said -  you can't find the cure for this addiction in a book.  It definitely has to come from within.  

quitter-wife
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Thank you all for the support. Last evening was better. He suggested I down everything I did/do to upset him so I can focus on NOT repeating them. It is when I let my guard down that I fail, at least this much has come to light. Thanks again for confirming things I suspected.

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